Superman vs Earth

Originally posted by MONSTAR
Superman does not have the strength to destroy the earth, he had to build up mass plus flight assist to destroy a small moon. On panel proof shows he could not do it with 500 punches.

wrong idiot, who said that destroying the moon was his limit? who said he aplyed all his strength to do it? again you are retarded

Originally posted by tribunal
what an idiot

Originally posted by biensalsa
I'm not talking about considering Superman of 1990 or 1991 to be capable to split a diamond planet in two. I'm talking about CURRENT Superman, yes the retcon happened a while back, but it would not apply to his power level of back then. On his current power level it is a posiblity.

Now the guy can lift mini singularities, even micro singularities are supposed to be dense enough to go thru earth like rock goes thru air, how he will not be able to split a planet?

Hey I don't doubt that Supes could bust a planet now, I was just pointing out that a story from Pre Crisis continuity being mentioned in Post Crisis Continuity doesn't make the characters Pre Crisis feats from the story applicable to their Post Crisis incarnation.

The question is vague - When we say "destroy" do we we mean melting the surface beyond all recognition, or do we we mean launching every bit of Earth Mass into orbit ?

In regards to A.) then yes .... Michio Kaku's recent Physics of the imposable series, claims you can scar a planet beyond all recognition, by melting the Core - Well withing Superman's power levels, destroying destroying that Shadow moon, Moving the Moon with Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern, require a far superior energy output.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=star-wars-science-death-star

In regards to B.) ... No way !!!!! Not because Superman doesn't have the physical potential, but because the Sun does even come close to giving out enough energy.

http://rikdad.blogspot.com/2009/04/how-strong-is-superman.html

This being the Key Quote :

"The bad news is, for Superman to push a planet with the force described above, he would have to burn up 2 quintillion tons of matter each second. "

This is Trillion times more energy than the Sun gives off a second - Even if you take Superman's ability to store Sunlight energy, it would still take over 30, 000 years (and that's if he absorbs ALL the Sun's energy - Killing everyone on earth in the process) to absorb enough energy to move the Earth for a second.

So Yes I think Superman can "destroy" a planet. But there's no way he can DESTROY a planet. Planet Destroying, i.e. moving the entire mass out of orbit is IMO a truly Sky Father level feat. We talking about the manipulation of energies beyond the out put of a Star.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You're talking about something that supposedly "rectons" 1990 Superman, so yeah you are talking about Supes from that year. See if they were rectoning the non feat into continuity it would apply to Supes the year it happened, it doesn't "kick in" 20 years later if it never was never supposed to apply in the first place.

Hey I don't doubt that Supes could bust a planet now, I was just pointing out that a story from Pre Crisis continuity being mentioned in Post Crisis Continuity doesn't make the characters Pre Crisis feats from the story applicable to their Post Crisis incarnation.

My bad then Goober. I probably did not explain my self well enough. I do not believe Superman in 1990 will be able to split a diamond planet in two.

I was thinking more a long the lines of Current Superman being capable of doing the retcon feat.

And Pre Crisis feats counting for Post Crisis incarnations is subjective to interpretation. There are some that can be taken as they are shown and some that most likelly can be taken as hyperboles

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
The question is vague - When we say "destroy" do we we mean melting the surface beyond all recognition, or do we we mean launching every bit of Earth Mass into orbit ?

In regards to A.) then yes .... Michio Kaku's recent Physics of the imposable series, claims you can scar a planet beyond all recognition, by melting the Core - Well withing Superman's power levels, destroying destroying that Shadow moon, Moving the Moon with Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern, require a far superior energy output.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=star-wars-science-death-star

In regards to B.) ... No way !!!!! Not because Superman doesn't have the physical potential, but because the Sun does even come close to giving out enough energy.

http://rikdad.blogspot.com/2009/04/how-strong-is-superman.html

This being the Key Quote :

"The bad news is, for Superman to push a planet with the force described above, he would have to burn up 2 quintillion tons of matter each second. "

This is Trillion times more energy than the Sun gives off a second - Even if you take Superman's ability to store Sunlight energy, it would still take over 30, 000 years (and that's if he absorbs ALL the Sun's energy - Killing everyone on earth in the process) to absorb enough energy to move the Earth for a second.

So Yes I think Superman can "destroy" a planet. But there's no way he can DESTROY a planet. Planet Destroying, i.e. moving the entire mass out of orbit is IMO a truly Sky Father level feat. We talking about the manipulation of energies beyond the out put of a Star.

He is more a reactor than a battery.

There is also several ways to destroy earth other than planet moving
It is theorized that 60 tons of energy is enough to split the earth in two
ONLY 60 TONS

Originally posted by 753
He's right actually. There are versions of hulk who could do it with a punch and at least one could it by walking.

And none of them has ever lifted a mini singularity, what is your point exactly?

Originally posted by biensalsa
And none of them has ever lifted a mini singularity, what is your point exactly?

Originally posted by Mindset
It was the size of a baseball 😬

So?

Even a micro singularity is so heavy that it will go thru earth like a rock goes thru air

Originally posted by biensalsa
So?

Even a micro singularity is so heavy that it will go thru earth like a rock goes thru air

Not that Supes, Hulk, and a myriad of other heroes aren't more durable than Earth, anyway.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
The question is vague - When we say "destroy" do we we mean melting the surface beyond all recognition, or do we we mean launching every bit of Earth Mass into orbit ?

In regards to A.) then yes .... Michio Kaku's recent Physics of the imposable series, claims you can scar a planet beyond all recognition, by melting the Core - Well withing Superman's power levels, destroying destroying that Shadow moon, Moving the Moon with Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern, require a far superior energy output.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=star-wars-science-death-star

In regards to B.) ... No way !!!!! Not because Superman doesn't have the physical potential, but because the Sun does even come close to giving out enough energy.

http://rikdad.blogspot.com/2009/04/how-strong-is-superman.html

This being the Key Quote :

"The bad news is, for Superman to push a planet with the force described above, he would have to burn up 2 quintillion tons of matter each second. "

This is Trillion times more energy than the Sun gives off a second - Even if you take Superman's ability to store Sunlight energy, it would still take over 30, 000 years (and that's if he absorbs ALL the Sun's energy - Killing everyone on earth in the process) to absorb enough energy to move the Earth for a second.

So Yes I think Superman can "destroy" a planet. But there's no way he can DESTROY a planet. Planet Destroying, i.e. moving the entire mass out of orbit is IMO a truly Sky Father level feat. We talking about the manipulation of energies beyond the out put of a Star.

Hence why a sundipped Superman can push against an Imperiex amped Warworld's engines and why he can survive a blast from Gog's staff even though said staff was charged with a dozen red suns (among other things).

Top 10 Ways to Destroy Earth

Sucked into a microscopic black hole
You will need: a microscopic black hole. Note that black holes are not eternal, they evaporate due to Hawking radiation. For your average black hole this takes an unimaginable amount of time, but for really small ones it could happen almost instantaneously, as evaporation time is dependent on mass. Therefore you microscopic black hole must have greater than a certain threshold mass, roughly equal to the mass of Mount Everest. Creating a microscopic black hole is tricky, since one needs a reasonable amount of neutronium, but may possibly be achievable by jamming large numbers of atomic nuclei together until they stick. This is left as an exercise to the reader.

Method: simply place your black hole on the surface of the Earth and wait. Black holes are of such high density that they pass through ordinary matter like a stone through the air. The black hole will plummet through the ground, eating its way to the center of the Earth and all the way through to the other side: then, it'll oscillate back, over and over like a matter-absorbing pendulum. Eventually it will come to rest at the core, having absorbed enough matter to slow it down. Then you just need to wait, while it sits and consumes matter until the whole Earth is gone.

Earth's final resting place: a singularity of almost zero size, which will then proceed to happily orbit the Sun as normal.

REMEMBER THIS IS A MICRO BLACK HOLE. Meaning that you need a MICROSCOPE to see it

Source?

And like I said, these heroes are more durable than Earth, so...

Originally posted by Mindset
Source?

And like I said, these heroes are more durable than Earth, so...

Number 8

http://www.livescience.com/technology/destroy_earth_mp-1.html

And I am aware REAL Scince and Comic Science are different

Originally posted by biensalsa

There is also several ways to destroy earth other than planet moving
It is theorized that 60 tons of energy is enough to split the earth in two
ONLY 60 TONS

Rubbish !!!!!!!!!!

Absolute bullcrap.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Rubbish !!!!!!!!!!

Absolute bullcrap.

You should complain to NOVA

You know NOVA as in the highest rated science series on television and the most watched documentary series on public television. It is also one of television's most acclaimed series, having won every major television award, most of them many times over.

Originally posted by Omega Vision

Hence why a sundipped Superman can push against an Imperiex amped Warworld's engines and why he can survive a blast from Gog's staff even though said staff was charged with a dozen red suns (among other things).

There is nothing in canonical to confirm that ... All speculation, but logical.

I want a confirmation. If they bring back Bryne, Psionic Superman, then the power problem becomes Meta Physical, but contemporary Superman's powers seem to be more Physical than Mental. there's nothing in Secret Origin, new Official Origin to suggest Brynes version is back.

Originally posted by biensalsa
You should complain to NOVA

You know NOVA as in the highest rated science series on television and the most watched documentary series on public television. It is also one of television's most acclaimed series, having won every major television award, most of them many times over.

What the hell is Nova - If its a sci fi series, then its NON applicable. Physics in one fictional universe doesn't apply to another.

I think these days the sun is much closer to just being a catalyst to activate his power. As such, in the fight against Ruin, at one point he was powerless and in the dark, and the moment he stepped into the sun it seemed he instantly went to full power.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
What the hell is Nova - If its a sci fi series, then its NON applicable. Physics in one fictional universe doesn't apply to another.

Nova's a program about science stuff. Think like The History Channel, only not a channel and not about history, but science. Same principle.