Superman vs Earth

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
What the hell is Nova - If its a sci fi series, then its NON applicable. Physics in one fictional universe doesn't apply to another.

jawdrop

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/

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Can somebody walk me thru this coment?

"What the hell is Nova - If its a sci fi series, then its NON applicable. Physics in one fictional universe doesn't apply to another."

IF is a SCI-FI series then is not applicable? What the hell is Superman then REALITY?

"Physics in one fictional universe doesn't apply to another" So feats in MARVEL do not count in DC, Well yes knowing dials go up to 11 in DC 😂

Seriously what do you mean with that post.

60 TONS OF PURE ENERGY IN THE REAL WORLD could split earth in two.

And I already stated that REAL WORLD SCIENCE is not the same as COMIC BOOK SCIENCE so do not even go there

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
What the hell is Nova - If its a sci fi series, then its NON applicable. Physics in one fictional universe doesn't apply to another.

Originally posted by biensalsa
jawdrop

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/

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I remember when they played this between runs of Mr. Roger's Neighborhood and The Electric Company. If I'm not mistaken, they peeled back the layers of a cows eye on one program.

Good times.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think its been established that there's more going on with Superman than simply absorbing ambient sunlight and converting that into power.

Hence why a sundipped Superman can push against an Imperiex amped Warworld's engines and why he can survive a blast from Gog's staff even though said staff was charged with a dozen red suns (among other things).

I know what you mean by implied - but sometimes I think its more a case of Writers forgetting where his powers come from, rather that suggesting that a new power source is involved - Kind of like Ad hocking to this scenario to drive the story.

Originally posted by Juntai
It's not a sci fi series. It's a SCIENCE series. Scientists and stuff. You've never seen Nova? I watched that shit when I was a kid.

Have you ever seen the One show ???

Originally posted by Juntai
It's not a sci fi series. It's a SCIENCE series. Scientists and stuff. You've never seen Nova? I watched that shit when I was a kid.

Same here.

Didn't know what to do with myself on the days they ran those telethons, begging for donations. 😄

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Have you ever seen the One show ???

Originally posted by Juntai
I think these days the sun is much closer to just being a catalyst to activate his power. As such, in the fight against Ruin, at one point he was powerless and in the dark, and the moment he stepped into the sun it seemed he instantly went to full power.

The Ruin story make reference to the him being a Solar Radiation Sponge on at least two occasions. Infact Ruins motives for killing Superman where based on him sucking the Sun dry.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
The Ruin story make reference to the him being a Solar Radiation Sponge on at least two occasions. Infact Ruins motives for killing Superman where based on him sucking the Sun dry.

Originally posted by cdtm
So what are the feats?

1. When he, WW, and MM towed the Earth.
2. When he and GL towed the Earth against Starbreaker's force.
3. Maggeddon

Superman definitely has the power to bust the Earth in one blow it's just the physics of it would be a problem. Using comic physics (disregarding real physics a little) then he definitely can.

Originally posted by Juntai
If you're wanting to make a random comparison- I'll play along. No, it's not aired here. It's a UK Program, on a UK channel. It's also only a couple years old. Nova however is broadcast over 100 countries, and has been on the air for over 35 years. Given that it's co-produced by BBC, it's likely on the same channel as The One show, though. 😉

You get the point though 😉

Any way back to the point - the 60 ton matter energy conversion claim, must be bullshit. I look this kind of think up all the time, and the energies needed to put the Earths entire weight in Orbit WAY exceed this. As quoted before, it would require 2 quadrillion tons of matter to be converted to produce enough energy to move it noticeably for a second.

Originally posted by Juntai
Also true. However that doesn't well coincide with what I spoke of a de-powered Superman stepping into the sunlight and being seemingly full powered, if we're to use your theory on '[x] amount of sun can't possible give him the energy to....'.

Its not a very convincing argument ...

"Seemingly Full powered"

Hmmm ... its sounds more rhetorical than definitive.

Plus if we suppose Superman can absorb a large % of the Suns energy output, per second -then he would still have more than enough energy to deal with Ruin. In fact he would have enough energy to power the U.S. for over a million years.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
You get the point though 😉

Any way back to the point - the 60 ton matter energy conversion claim, must be bullshit. I look this kind of think up all the time, and the energies needed to put the Earths entire weight in Orbit WAY exceed this. As quoted before, it would require 2 quadrillion tons of matter to be converted to produce enough energy to move it noticeably for a second.

Here take this quiz is only 7 qauestions and this one in particular is question #6

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/einstein/tiny.html

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If you want a quasi scientific explanation for how my previous Claim maybe possible:

I reckon he attracts and metabolizes Neutrinos, when under a yellow Sun.

http://newhumanist.org.uk/2402/chowns-cosmos-the-sun-at-night

Originally posted by biensalsa
Here take this quiz is only 7 qauestions and this one in particular is question #6

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/einstein/tiny.html

Sorry that just states how much energy is locked up in matter, something Im already very aware of ... It says nothing about being able to split the earth in tow - I.e put half of Earth it into orbit, with a 60 tons mass energy conversion. Read this page again - it shows how much mass energy conversion is needed to accomplish what you have claimed.

http://rikdad.blogspot.com/2009/04/how-strong-is-superman.html

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
P.S.

If you want a quasi scientific explanation for how my previous Claim maybe possible:

I reckon he attracts and metabolizes Neutrinos, when under a yellow Sun.

http://newhumanist.org.uk/2402/chowns-cosmos-the-sun-at-night

This quasi thing of how superheroes powers work never goes well with real science

HULK will have died from the explosion
Flash will not be capable of running at those speeds
Superman cannot do the things he always does
Thor is not a god
Batman cannot dodge 6 machine guns on a small room

I think you get the idea

Originally posted by biensalsa
This quasi thing of how superheroes powers work never goes well with real science

HULK will have died from the explosion
Flash will not be capable of running at those speeds
Superman cannot do the things he always does
Thor is not a god
Batman cannot dodge 6 machine guns on a small room

I think you get the idea

Ummmm ....

You are either not reading what I'm saying or not understanding it, making this discourse pointless.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Its not a very convincing argument ...

"Seemingly Full powered"

Hmmm ... its sounds more rhetorical than definitive.

Plus if we suppose Superman can absorb a large % of the Suns energy output, per second -then he would still have more than enough energy to deal with Ruin. In fact he would have enough energy to power the U.S. for over a million years.

If I remember the references, and there have been more even outside of the Ruin story, they suggest he draws energy when under duress and stressed to accomplish something. It's not something he's doing as a constant.

Also, there's other moments. Like-

Superman #167. Under a red sun, Superman using heat vision supplied the power for Jor-El's planet-moving ion engines. The planet in this case had a mass 16 times that of Earth's.

Explain that one.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Sorry that just states how much energy is locked up in matter, something Im already very aware of ... It says nothing about being able to split the earth in tow - I.e put half of Earth it into orbit, with a 60 tons mass energy conversion. Read this page again - it shows how much mass energy conversion is needed to accomplish what you have claimed.

http://rikdad.blogspot.com/2009/04/how-strong-is-superman.html

My bad I did not explain myself correctly, I see why you disagree.

And if it realisticly impossible or not. I guess everybody is aware We are talking comic books here not real science.

If I used the real science facts from before was just to show that to split a real earth it does not take that much.

It will take probably even less to split a Comic book earth

Originally posted by Juntai

Also, there's other moments. Like-

Superman #167. Under a red sun, Superman using heat vision supplied the power for Jor-El's planet-moving ion engines. The planet in this case had a mass 16 times that of Earth's.

That was written (by Geoff Johns) before the red sunlight blocks his powers John Brusiek retcon, when red Solar radiation depleted his energy stores. He was therefore using the energy stored up in his Cellular batteries.