Random Scientific Questions

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
whoa. i read the first couple of pages and printed that out. now that's a piece you take your time with and delve into for the evening. thanks Mindship.

but still. my main thing is whether or not there is a "wall", if not in the universe but the cosmos. and even then, what's beyond this "wall"...God? nah j/k..

negative and positive reinforcement is used to alter behavior through the use of reward/praising and or using pain and physical discomfort.

Mice are subjected to both form of stimuli and quickly learn to change their behavior when shocked.

this leads me to believe that Negative enforcement leads to quicker behavior change under certain conditions. it is used almost exclusively in military boot camp and i see no reason why a mild form of it cannot be used on children with behavior problems or "minor" supposed autistic behavior.

Originally posted by King Castle
negative and positive reinforcement is used to alter behavior through the use of reward/praising and or using pain and physical discomfort.

this is not the definition of negative reinforcement.

Positive reinforcement is: the adding or giving of something to a subject to reinforce behaviour [for instance, a pigeon moves the desired lever, it gets a food pellet]

Negative reinforcement is: the removing or taking away of something from the subject to reinforce behaviour [for instance, a pigeon moves a desired lever, a loud annoying noise is turned off]

Originally posted by King Castle
Mice are subjected to both form of stimuli and quickly learn to change their behavior when shocked.

being shocked for undesired responses are a form of positive reinforcement, just applied in a reverse paradigm.

This isn't a matter of opinion. You are just confused about how these terms are applied. Dont worry though, it takes 4 years of university for lots of people to understand the difference [sic] 😉

Punishment is, generally, a type of positive reinforcement, though things like grounding your child or taking away their toys, time outs, etc, would be negative reinforcement.

Originally posted by King Castle
this leads me to believe that Negative enforcement leads to quicker behavior change under certain conditions. it is used almost exclusively in military boot camp and i see no reason why a mild form of it cannot be used on children with behavior problems

potentially. However, in terms of punishment, it is just not a good type of motivator. For instance, what behaviour is a person learning when they are avoiding displeasurable consequences? certainly, in terms of children, they are not learning that they should behave in a desired manner, but in fact, only to avoid being punished for doing bad things.

the research on this is essentially unequivical, and has existed since the 70s

Originally posted by King Castle
or "minor" supposed autistic behavior.

this is disgusting

you are suggesting a type of corporal punishment for behaviour that a child has no control over

there is no argument on this point, punishment would have zero benefit for this person

tomatoes, tomatos..

http://www.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/proj/nru/nr.html

mild autism can go undiagnosed and parents can be completely ignorant of the child condition and may view it as just an unruly child whose behavior can be and has bn altered by parental punishment leading from time outs, one on one sessions, physical punishment and or cold baths.

ok, but those tactics, imho, are akin to child abuse

only b/c you are not black or brown or asian or the average non suburbia white american.

i am tired of hearing kids being wrongfully diagnosed with autism behavior by lazy or stupid shrinks, which can be fixed with threat of punishment or actual interactions.

My nephew who is only 5 was said to have some mild form of autism b/c he didnt speak around strangers and whatnot..

A) he was and is only 5.

B) he was taught not to talk to strangers

C) he did not talk to authoritative ppl.. Doctors, teacher(pricks).

D) he was shy at pretty women/girls which what young guys or adult males arent.

E) he didnt like being talked down to like a baby or being pinched.

F) he didnt normally interact with the kids his age b/c he said they were too childish and acted like babies. he is very intelligent.

G) his parents were separating and he didnt like the fighting, hence he was quiet out of some screwed up sh#$ parents were doing.

he wasnt autistic. 😐

all it took is me being around him and teaching him how to talk to people, flirting being confident cracking jokes at @$$hole ppl and asking him when he would shut down why he was doing it.. which he answered the above.

Originally posted by King Castle
only b/c you are not black or brown or asian or the average non suburbia white american.

i am tired of hearing kids being wrongfully diagnosed with autism behavior by lazy or stupid shrinks, which can be fixed with threat of punishment or actual interactions.

My nephew who is only 5 was said to have some mild form of autism b/c he didnt speak around strangers and whatnot..

A) he was and is only 5.

B) he was taught not to talk to strangers

C) he did not talk to authoritative ppl.. Doctors, teacher(pricks).

D) he was shy at pretty women/girls which what young guys or adult males arent.

E) he didnt like being talked down to like a baby or being pinched.

F) he didnt normally interact with the kids his age b/c he said they were too childish and acted like babies. he is very intelligent.

G) his parents were separating and he didnt like the fighting, hence he was quiet out of some screwed up sh#$ parents were doing.

he wasnt autistic. 😐

all it took is me being around him and teaching him how to talk to people, flirting being confident cracking jokes at @$$hole ppl and asking him when he would shut down why he was doing it.. which he answered the above.

Did abusing him help with these problems in some way?

no abusing is not the same as punishment.

but like all things there are consequences to his actions when he would act out violently which his parents would not implement. i had no problem implementing it as it was how i was raised.

stop crying, now..( serious face, eye contact).
bam he stop.

Originally posted by King Castle
no abusing is not the same as punishment.

but like all things there are consequences to his actions when he would act out violently which his parents would not implement. i had no problem implementing it as it was how i was raised.

stop crying, now..( serious face, eye contact).
bam he stop.

Okay, did that do anything to help him in the long term?

yes, with the added reinforcement of the hand raise ready to strike.

he toughen up and doesnt cry from the mundane anymore.. like being pushed(while playing soccer), forced to socialize, and just out right teasing him or mildly hitting him with a ball or a light tap.

he is not afraid of heights and jumping into padded cushions in his gymnastic class.

when he doesnt like something he doesnt shut down or start crying but tells ppl what he doesnt like and why like his parents fighting. he is more confident.

he is also aware of physical pain when he misbehaves so he avoids having tantrums and can tell the difference between escalation of pain and simple irritants.

i guess for the loooong run we'll have to wait till he is an adult, late teens or early 20's

the goal was if he acts more mature he more often then not will be treated accordingly.

yes, because the "speak sternly and make eye contact" approach has never been applied in research.

I'll get a nobel for this!

did they reinforce it with i will hurt you i am not playing around icy stare?

its more then acting its actually immersing yourself.

it works on adults just as well.. cops, judges, manager.. etc etc..

instead of the the i will hurt you stare its the you will die stare.

also it can be further strengthen with a raised hand with adults a gun or knife within reach.. remember you have to go through with it if they test you which is what makes it convincing in the 1st place you cant act it out you have to live it.

yes

trust me, you aren't proposing anything new

from a psychological view, most of what you are saying is demonstrably untrue, if not outright rubbish

when they test you slap across the face.. then they start crying b/c you gave them something to cry about.

then you tell them if they want another to keep on crying. eventually they will stop before you do.

= child abuse

i guess majority of america should be locked up along with various other countries.

55% of parents have slapped or spanked their children. .

yes, if most of the people in America hit their children, they are guilty of child abuse

your hyperbole is nonsensical though. So you think that because I am against the unavoidable psychological issues that come with corporal punishment, I also feel there should be some state run intervention which breaks up homes by locking people in jail?

both hitting and breaking up families are bad for kids. you don't think their are solutions that aside from jail?

Originally posted by inimalist
yes, if most of the people in America hit their children, they are guilty of child abuse

your hyperbole is nonsensical though. So you think that because I am against the unavoidable psychological issues that come with corporal punishment, I also feel there should be some state run intervention which breaks up homes by locking people in jail?

both hitting and breaking up families are bad for kids. you don't think their are solutions that aside from jail?

Originally posted by King Castle
only b/c you are not black or brown or asian or the average non suburbia white american.

i am tired of hearing kids being wrongfully diagnosed with autism behavior by lazy or stupid shrinks, which can be fixed with threat of punishment or actual interactions.

My nephew who is only 5 was said to have some mild form of autism b/c he didnt speak around strangers and whatnot..

A) he was and is only 5.

B) he was taught not to talk to strangers

C) he did not talk to authoritative ppl.. Doctors, teacher(pricks).

D) he was shy at pretty women/girls which what young guys or adult males arent.

E) he didnt like being talked down to like a baby or being pinched.

F) he didnt normally interact with the kids his age b/c he said they were too childish and acted like babies. he is very intelligent.

G) his parents were separating and he didnt like the fighting, hence he was quiet out of some screwed up sh#$ parents were doing.

he wasnt autistic. 😐

all it took is me being around him and teaching him how to talk to people, flirting being confident cracking jokes at @$$hole ppl and asking him when he would shut down why he was doing it.. which he answered the above.

Well the thing is that no child, autistic or not, should be physically or mentally abused, which some of the things you said definitely are.

And if you now say it's not abuse and that you went through it and turned out fine then I rest my case.

lets be honest who here hasnt bn punished, spanked, slapped and whatnot by their parents?