Originally posted by Parmaniac
More appereances = more experience.
wtf? this is where you are wrong... More appereances means he apeared more in the comics but it doesnt mean he got more experience because for all that we know miguel could have more fights or just the same amount just because they dont show it in the comics doesnt mean a shit , by your logic wolverine is the most experient fighter because he got more appereances than most fighters... so does it mean wolverine is more experienced than elektra or iron fist or karate kid? your logic is very very invalid and wrong
Originally posted by nutoriousWe have 2 versions of a character, I'm not comparing Thor to Karate Kid or something, Spider-man has his own style due to his powerset he showed more of this cause he has more appereances if anything can by argued than that 616 is more experienced than 2099 you're just assuming without any proof that 2099 > 616 experience. I'm not the one who has to proof anything.
wtf? this is where you are wrong... More appereances means he apeared more in the comics but it doesnt mean he got more experience because for all that we know miguel could have more fights or just the same amount just because they dont show it in the comics doesnt mean a shit , by your logic wolverine is the most experient fighter because he got more appereances than most fighters... so does it mean wolverine is more experienced than elektra or iron fist or karate kid? your logic is very very invalid and wrong
Originally posted by Parmaniac
We have 2 versions of a character, I'm not comparing Thor to Karate Kid or something, Spider-man has his own style due to his powerset he showed more of this cause he has more appereances if anything can by argued than that 616 is more experienced than 2099 you're just assuming without any proof that 2099 > 616 experience. I'm not the one who has to proof anything.
i never said that 2099 is more experienced please show me where i stated that because i never saidsuch a thing i said he is more dangerous thats it, my point was that you cant say that he is stronger or a better fighter because you dont have anything to back your statement .. if the 2099 version was trying to lift something that peter is able to lift and he would fail then yes you would have a point but because he didnt display an impresive lifting feat doesnt mean he cant specially when in all the bios and handbooks it is stated that he is as strong as peter parker
Originally posted by nutoriousWe don't go by handbooks here. I showed you proof why he is, at least in my opinion, stronger. Well feel free now to post feats and prove me wrong. I say going by the fact that 616 Spidey has a shitload of more fights in his pocket his experience is superior to 2099 Spidey. That's all.
i never said that 2099 is more experienced please show me where i stated that because i never saidsuch a thing i said he is more dangerous thats it, my point was that you cant say that he is stronger or a better fighter because you dont have anything to back your statement .. if the 2099 version was trying to lift something that peter is able to lift and he would fail then yes you would have a point but because he didnt display an impresive lifting feat doesnt mean he cant specially when in all the bios and handbooks it is stated that he is as strong as peter parker
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Spiderman 2099 has talons that can cut through steel.
True, but I don't think that's enough to get him the majority.
Originally posted by nutorious
really? care to prove that?
Peter's been active almost as long as the Fantastic Four, we see Miguel get his powers and all his adventures on-screen. It's a much shorter time period.
wtf? this is where you are wrong... More appereances means he apeared more in the comics but it doesnt mean he got more experience because for all that we know miguel could have more fights or just the same amount just because they dont show it in the comics doesnt mean a shit
Do you have anything to indicate that Miguel fights a lot off-page?
Unless you do, it does mean exactly that. Spider-man has fought hundreds and hundreds of supervillains and is widely considered one of the most experienced heroes in Marvel (behind mostly some long-lived ones like Capt, Wolverine, and so on), Miguel, maybe a dozen or so.
We have their heroic careers on-page after all.
miguel ruled the world for a thousand years with mjolnir, so I am assuming we are talking about SM 2099 at the end of his series.
He was just as efective with his powerset as PP is with his, if not more.
The fact that the 616 has an ongoing series since the 60s doesn't really prove he is better at anything. In marvel time, he's been arround for what? a decade? that's more than ohara ever got, but I see no reason to claim Spider-man is better with his powerset than he is. Ohara was mostly guided by spider-like instincts (that seemed far stronger than parker's) and became almost instantly proficient with his powers, he covered much more ground in the in-universe time lapse of his series, than SM did in the same amount of marvel time in his own.
Originally posted by 753
miguel ruled the world for a thousand years with mjolnir, so I am assuming we are talking about SM 2099 at the end of his series.
I assumed before that too.
, but I see no reason to claim Spider-man is better with his powersetr,
Peter's got a loooong trackrecord of beating the heck out of his physical superiors when he gets serious though.
It's not just that he has a lot of appearances, it's that Spider-man has done a lot of impressive stuff during said appearances.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
We don't go by handbooks here. I showed you proof why he is, at least in my opinion, stronger. Well feel free now to post feats and prove me wrong. I say going by the fact that 616 Spidey has a shitload of more fights in his pocket his experience is superior to 2099 Spidey. That's all.
i presented the handbooks and bios because its the only proof we got for now and the only comaring tool we can use that will be a valid one, as i said before spider-man 2099 didnt have many apearences at all and just because he didnt lift tanks or what ever doesnt mean he cant he just didnt do it same thing i can show you over 100 issues of spider-man where he doesnt lift a car of holding a colapsing building and point out that he didnt do it for 100 issues so what? there is no reason to believe that 2099 spider-man is weaker than peter parker as a matter of fact he was stated to be slightly stronger due to the fact he is more etached to the animalistic aspect of the spider like his super hearing feeling his poison fangs he is more of a spider than spider-man and he is more deadly and dangerous
basically you dont have a proof that parker is stronger or more skilled because miguel was able to control his powers right away due to the fact he is more atached to the whole spider concept than parker who is more of a human than miguel thats why i believe that miguel is slightly stronger than parker and more skilled
aside from that miguel showed better speed reflexes and acrobatic abilities , he is more dangerous due to his poison fangs and razor sharp talons and he has a healing factor to some degree unlike peter parker who only got durability
so after all that i will definitely say miguel takes it he is more vicious more dangerous got more weapons than parker and you stated that parker took people that are suppose to be stronger and better than him lets not forget he has fallen to much less like punisher daredevil act act so dont bring that bullshit up because overall if we go by the on paper than miguel should take this fight
spiderman's strength is ambiguous at best he is suppose to be a 10 tonner and he ranges inbetween the 10 to 15 ton range..
that doesnt mean he is clearly a 15 or above just because he lifts heavy objects in comics and we use our real world science to extrapolate an imaginary weight of an object.
especially when he does lift extreme weight he is usually pumped and straining as in it isnt his regular lifting feats or near it.
anyways.. i like spiderman 2099 better so he wins. 😮💨 he is by far more ruthless then spidey and mirrors his stats as well with minor variations.
If Peter is serious then he takes it but if he takes time to make his jokes he loses. Serious Peter is Serious business and people wish for joking spidey to come back when he does it. Strength has little to do with the fight because 616 fights the likes of Venom and the symbiotes all to often and while he does get kicked around quite a bit he still gives a better fight IMO than 2099 would do.
Originally posted by Uriel005
If Peter is serious then he takes it but if he takes time to make his jokes he loses. Serious Peter is Serious business and people wish for joking spidey to come back when he does it. Strength has little to do with the fight because 616 fights the likes of Venom and the symbiotes all to often and while he does get kicked around quite a bit he still gives a better fight IMO than 2099 would do.
those are your speculations nothing more, on panel fights show us that 2099 is more vicious and more dangerous overall he wins
Originally posted by Uriel005spiderman 2099 also fights venom 2099.. that isnt saying much..
If Peter is serious then he takes it but if he takes time to make his jokes he loses. Serious Peter is Serious business and people wish for joking spidey to come back when he does it. Strength has little to do with the fight because 616 fights the likes of Venom and the symbiotes all to often and while he does get kicked around quite a bit he still gives a better fight IMO than 2099 would do.
also like to point out that o'hara's unstable suit also help's reduce impact reducing its effectiveness.. something to think about.
also a vicious O'hara rips eyes outs and what not slashes throats..
venom when he fights with spiderman is more of brawler bruiser who enjoys prolonging spiderman's pain rather then empaling and slashing him which he does but not as often.. isnt it strange when venom does get physical with spidey it tends to be punches rather then claw rip tears.. PIS
Originally posted by nutoriousBetter speed, agility and reflexes? Not that I dont trust you, but find that a bit hard to believe. I havent read any SM 2099 so you could be right, but im gonna have to ask you to post some proofs.
aside from that miguel showed better speed reflexes and acrobatic abilities , he is more dangerous due to his poison fangs and razor sharp talons and he has a healing factor to some degree unlike peter parker who only got durability
Also losing to DD and Punisher has nothing to do with it. Supes has lost to Batman, yet you dont see people argue that because of that Green Arrow can also beat him. Spider-man often beats character that are stronger and faster than him because of his experience.
Originally posted by SamZED
Better speed, agility and reflexes? Not that I dont trust you, but find that a bit hard to believe. I havent read any SM 2099 so you could be right, but im gonna have to ask you to post some proofs.Also losing to DD and Punisher has nothing to do with it. Supes has lost to Batman, yet you dont see people argue that because of that Green Arrow can also beat him. Spider-man often beats character that are stronger and faster than him because of his experience.
so its OK for spider-man to beat oponnents that are stronger and better than him but when he is losing to someone who is weaker its a PIS? didnt you think maybe when he beats oponnents like venom and people who are stronger than him its also a PIS? it works both ways
