spider-man 2099 vs 616 spider-man

Originally posted by nutorious
so its OK for spider-man to beat oponnents that are stronger and better than him but when he is losing to someone who is weaker its a PIS? didnt you think maybe when he beats oponnents like venom and people who are stronger than him its also a PIS? it works both ways

Miguel is Irish on his biological father's side (Tyler Stone) and Mexican on his mom's side (Conchata O'Hara).
O'Hara is a skilled and gifted geneticist. He is also a formidable hand to hand combat, despite the fact that he's had little formal training. He uses a special freestyle of fighting that allows him to make full use of his strength, speed, and agility.
Both of O'Hara's forearms contain a set of spinerettes that release a very strong and sticky web-like substance from the back of his wrists. O'Hara can use this webbing to swing from building to building with or as a means of restraining an individual. Unlike the original spider-man, O'Hara's webs are organic and are chemically identical to real spider silk.
O'Hara possesses elongated canine teeth that secrete a paralyzing, though non-toxic, venom. He also possesses short, retractable claws at the tips of his fingers and toes that he uses to dig into surfaced, enabling him to crawl along them as a spider might.
O'Hara possesses the proportionate strength of a spider. At his peak, he possesses sufficient superhuman strength to lift up to 10 tons. O'Hara's great strength also extends to his legs, allowing him to leap great distances. He has been known to leap to heights of at least 30 feet in a single bound.

Hmmm I was look for more info but it seems that he is just like peter speed strength all that is the same they both lift the same n all. but 2099 have some different things like his fangs, real webs. comes down to skills lol. still like 2099 better so i give it to him.

Originally posted by SamZED
There's a difference when Daredevil who is a human (comicbook human but still a human) beats a superhuman that can shatter tanks with bare hands and is much faster than him because of SM's CIS AND when ONE superhuman beats ANOTHER superhuman because he's more experienced. That's not PIS. Also Spider-man oneshotted Daredevil when Matt pissed him off so there. Stop bringing low showings, every character that has been around has them, that in no way helps you support SM 2099 as long as Spider-man's average strength, speed, reflexes display are on the same level or higher. So.. can you post scans?

actually the oposite is the truth because you see when spider-man fights peak humans like daredevil or captain america or black cat and they are handing him his own ass thats ok because they are skilled enough to do it and they are using skills, the gap between spider-man and a peak human is not that big of a deal at all and please dont try to present all super humans as the same class because if spider-man with his poor class 10-15 defeats someone like hulk, firelord, or even venom than its much worse PIS than a peak hjuman beating him because to them parker IS like a human he is much weaker than them and isnt suppose to hurt them he is like an anoying bug to them like a fly that you cant catch but cant really hurt you just anoy the crap out of you thats spider-man to real super humans

and no spider-man cant crash tanks with his bare hands lifting a tank and crashing one with your bare hands is not the same you are trying to make too much out of him while he is still the guy with class 15 strength at the very best who gets handled easily by anyone with fighting skills

Originally posted by nutorious
actually the oposite is the truth because you see when spider-man fights peak humans like daredevil or captain america or black cat and they are handing him his own ass thats ok because they are skilled enough to do it and they are using skills, the gap between spider-man and a peak human is not that big of a deal at all and please dont try to present all super humans as the same class because if spider-man with his poor class 10-15 defeats someone like hulk, firelord, or even venom than its much worse PIS than a peak hjuman beating him because to them parker IS like a human he is much weaker than them and isnt suppose to hurt them he is like an anoying bug to them like a fly that you cant catch but cant really hurt you just anoy the crap out of you thats spider-man to real super humans

"real superhumans"? Spider-man is a real super human. Out of all the things you wrote above only ONE thing makes sense. Spider-man has no buiseness beating Hulk. That's PIS. While peak humans have no buiseness beating Spider-man.
And you keep throwing random matches that arent even true. Daredevil? I already told you Spider-man oneshotted him when he got POed. He did the same to Bullseye, Taskmaster, he beat Iron Fist twice, humiliated Kingpin. Spider-man has trouble with peak humans only because of his CIS, to anyone who reads Spider-man its a common knowledge that he pulls his punches ALL THE TIME because he'd be taking their heads off if he wasnt. It's been meantioned back in 1960s and repeated dozens and dozens of times since then. And you use these CIS influenced low showings where Spider-man is holding back as an ARGUMENT while ignoring all the average once when he's going al out?

See, there's a huge difference between your and my examples.
No fighting skill would help you beat an opponent that is much faster than you and can kill you with a SINGLE punch. (CIS off)
But fighting skills would help you beat an opponent that is superior to you as long as you're in the same league.
To make an analogy, Spider-man fighting Venom = tough skilled man fighting a stronger but less experienced man. And winning because of his skills.
While Spider-man fighting say Bullseye = A grown up fighter battling a small but more experineced child. And while the child may be more skilled in say karate it wont help him once he gets his skull cracked with a full force punch from an adult figher.

Originally posted by nutorious

and no spider-man cant crash tanks with his bare hands lifting a tank and crashing one with your bare hands is not the same you are trying to make too much out of him while he is still the guy with class 15 strength at the very best who gets handled easily by anyone with fighting skills

Originally posted by nutorious
i presented the handbooks and bios because its the only proof we got for now and the only comaring tool we can use that will be a valid one, as i said before spider-man 2099 didnt have many apearences at all

basically you dont have a proof that parker is stronger or more skilled because miguel was able to control his powers right away due to the fact he is more atached to the whole spider concept than parker who is more of a human than miguel thats why i believe that miguel is slightly stronger than parker and more skilled

Originally posted by nutorious
those are your speculations nothing more

In general it's a bad idea to start a thread *sure* that one side's going to win.

I'm gonna have to go with 616 solely because of spider sense. I think that when most same tier characters hit him, it could easily be considered PIS. He stated that he gets around 2 seconds of reaction time, and, with his speed, it makes him almost impossible to hit.

Originally posted by rader
He stated that he gets around 2 seconds of reaction time, and, with his speed, it makes him almost impossible to hit.

U cant say that captain america is a normal human he is a super human n daredevil isnt a normal human either. Peter only has one thing that 2099 doesnt n thats the spider sence. 2099 has a few more things that peter doesnt, everything else is the same. Yes 2099 spiderman is more of a spider then peter. Peter's spider sence does help him some but he still gets hit alot when it comes to superhumans. 2099 is just as quick as peter so there will b back to back punches but if peter gets bite by the 2099 spider man then its over. 2099 spider man wins.

Originally posted by rader
I'm gonna have to go with 616 solely because of spider sense. I think that when most same tier characters hit him, it could easily be considered PIS. He stated that he gets around 2 seconds of reaction time, and, with his speed, it makes him almost impossible to hit.

Originally posted by Sethos
U cant say that captain america is a normal human he is a super human n daredevil isnt a normal human either. Peter only has one thing that 2099 doesnt n thats the spider sence. 2099 has a few more things that peter doesnt, everything else is the same. Yes 2099 spiderman is more of a spider then peter. Peter's spider sence does help him some but he still gets hit alot when it comes to superhumans. 2099 is just as quick as peter so there will b back to back punches but if peter gets bite by the 2099 spider man then its over. 2099 spider man wins.

Woah spell check grasshopper loaded on crack. Spider Sense, also enhanced senses don't count for crap if the person is adjusting to what you are going to do before you do it as you change up your motion realizing he countered you before you moved.

I think a lot of people tend to put spidey lower on the list when compared to equivalent characters because despite being able to take on the likes of carnage, rhino and other bricks as well as high speed, high strength, martial artists because he does a lot of street level work and because of that the writers need to make it so that he isn't just going around pounding the hell out of people.

Also lets look at what 2099 has going for him shall we.

Claws, Visciousness, Fangs. That's about it in this fight that gives him any distinct advantage over peter. Visciousness can be overcome if Peter is SERIOUS BUSINESS Peter, Fangs don't do squat because I doubt Peter is going to stand there and let him nom his face. Lesson he learned from Venom 🙂. The claws are the only real advantage he has here.

Parker has, Experience, probably more strength than the 10 tonner he is listed as, Spider sense.
As stated before Precognition beats enhanced senses, The strength and experience are going to give him more hits and much more dodges than Miguel is going to get.
Parker wins -_-

Originally posted by Uriel005
Woah spell check grasshopper loaded on crack. Spider Sense, also enhanced senses don't count for crap if the person is adjusting to what you are going to do before you do it as you change up your motion realizing he countered you before you moved.

I think a lot of people tend to put spidey lower on the list when compared to equivalent characters because despite being able to take on the likes of carnage, rhino and other bricks as well as high speed, high strength, martial artists because he does a lot of street level work and because of that the writers need to make it so that he isn't just going around pounding the hell out of people.

Also lets look at what 2099 has going for him shall we.

Claws, Visciousness, Fangs. That's about it in this fight that gives him any distinct advantage over peter. Visciousness can be overcome if Peter is SERIOUS BUSINESS Peter, Fangs don't do squat because I doubt Peter is going to stand there and let him nom his face. Lesson he learned from Venom 🙂. The claws are the only real advantage he has here.

Parker has, Experience, probably more strength than the 10 tonner he is listed as, Spider sense.
As stated before Precognition beats enhanced senses, The strength and experience are going to give him more hits and much more dodges than Miguel is going to get.
Parker wins -_-

one question.... where is it stated that parker is stronger than the 2099 version? it was never stated so... you know

Originally posted by nutorious
one question.... where is it stated that parker is stronger than the 2099 version? it was never stated so... you know

I did say Probably more strength than the 10 tonner he is listed as. They are both 10 tonners on the list it's just that spidey just pulls crap beyond what a 10 tonner should be able to do with his comic book physics often enough that I don't really put him in at 10 tons anymore, more around 15.

Originally posted by Uriel005
I did say Probably more strength than the 10 tonner he is listed as. They are both 10 tonners on the list it's just that spidey just pulls crap beyond what a 10 tonner should be able to do with his comic book physics often enough that I don't really put him in at 10 tons anymore, more around 15.

NO... in the bio it is stated that they are bove between 10 and 15 and its also stated everywhere that miguel is physically as strong as peter parker so there is no reason to asume one of them is stronger than the other

It's a moot point spidersense ftw Precognition beats enhanced senses because enhanced senses only say that you are getting more information even with bullet time senses precognition wins because if two people move at the same speed and one can see the punch before it comes the one who has the prior knowledge wins.

i already stated that peter parker will beat miguel because i saw some scans of miguel and he sucks at fighting i mean he really sucks at fighting he is a pathetic version of spider-man but in tearms of strength they are equal

Originally posted by Uriel005
It's a moot point spidersense ftw Precognition beats enhanced senses because enhanced senses only say that you are getting more information even with bullet time senses precognition wins because if two people move at the same speed and one can see the punch before it comes the one who has the prior knowledge wins.

I'd say, the increase in defensive efficency SM gets from his SS is equivalent to what ohara gets from supersenses and slow motion view of the world.

Originally posted by nutorious
i already stated that peter parker will beat miguel because i saw some scans of miguel and he sucks at fighting i mean he really sucks at fighting he is a pathetic version of spider-man but in tearms of strength they are equal

Originally posted by Parmaniac

Wow, lifting a mini-tank. He's so awesome.

puke <--- parm

And swinging something, you won't swing your max "lift" weight like a baseball bat.