Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
True. The former was a high showing for Mantis considering that he defeated Jordan, Wonder Woman, and Fate at the same time, and it showed the extent of his energy manipulation. The latter was more of a outlier showing (that he could damage intangible opponents) but it's not necessarily a low showing for Fate. Fate attempted to sneak past Mantis, Mantis knew he was there, and he caught Fate off-guard. It went pretty much according to expectations.Indeed. It should be noted that he was hit with a energy blast of unknown power from a newbie Quasar. Surviving Galactus' fury with only weakened defenses was a high feat. However, I see no way he can counter Mantis' energy suck.
I'm 99% sure that Fate was not amped in the first encounter, and there was no indication that he was amped in the second.
The only glaring weakness that I see in the bug (Annihilus) is his cosmic control rod. While it is a very powerful tool, it can be stripped from him. It was also not just the newbie Quasar (Phyla Vell) that was found lacking, but the original was found to be no threat at all.
The energy soaking powers of Mantis vs Annihilus' energy manipulations have yet to be proven as to whom has a firmer grasp on energy manipulations. Quasar (Wendal) has been able to strip some pretty poweful energy wielders in the past by analyzing their powers and shutting them down. Binary and the rogue Watcher if I am not mistaken were just two of the characters that he shut down.
Quasar was unable to resist being consumed, so this has to be taken into account.
I'm really undecided on this, but I think in general that without the CCR, Anni is the weaker of the two, with it, who can tell.
Originally posted by Stoic
The only glaring weakness that I see in the bug (Annihilus) is his cosmic control rod. While it is a very powerful tool, it can be stripped from him. It was also not just the newbie Quasar (Phyla Vell) that was found lacking, but the original was found to be no threat at all.The energy soaking powers of Mantis vs Annihilus' energy manipulations have yet to be proven as to whom has a firmer grasp on energy manipulations. Quasar (Wendal) has been able to strip some pretty poweful energy wielders in the past by analyzing their powers and shutting them down. Binary and the rogue Watcher if I am not mistaken were just two of the characters that he shut down.
Quasar was unable to resist being consumed, so this has to be taken into account.
I only have a foggy memory of how the Annihilus-Quasar fight went down. Did Wendell analyze his powers prior to the fight? I thought he rushed headfirst into battle.
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
I only have a foggy memory of how the Annihilus-Quasar fight went down. Did Wendell analyze his powers prior to the fight? I thought he rushed headfirst into battle.
No Wendell didn't analyze the CCR from my knowledge, or he just couldn't get a proper lock on it. This of course makes no sense when talking about Quasar's methods of approaching a fight... it's basically what he has been seen doing time and again, so your guess is as good as mine.
Let's talk about Annihilus for a second, and the high feat that he indirectly achieved. The Galactus wave destroyed not only Annihilus' fleet, but several solar systems as well. This means that the CCR coupled with his own body armor allowed him to survive a blast that destroyed several stars.
I don't want to go on a rant and say that he would smash the Mantis or yore, but come on. On average who would you say is more impressive? To answer your first question though, Quasar was going all out, and was soundly defeated by Annihilus, who appeared to not even be trying. Like I said before, this would depend on whether or not Annihilus' CCR was greater than Mantis' ability to manipulate energy.
I'd almost wager that Darkseid would spank Mantis, while at the same time have a hard time surviving (if at all) a blast that took out several solar systems. What do you think?
Originally posted by StoicI'd almost wager that Darkseid would spank Mantis, while at the same time have a hard time surviving (if at all) a blast that took out several solar systems. What do you think?
But Annihilus isn't PC DS, besides I'm pretty sure he only survived that blast due to the aid of the Quantum Bands which he doesn't have here.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
PC Darkseid tanked Hal Jordan power battery amped PC Mantis's best shot and laughed it off. Mantis proclaimed that he now wielded the power of those who protect the Universe, to which Darkseid (after tanking the blast without flinching) replied "Then does this mean that Darkseid will soon control the Universe?"But Annihilus isn't PC DS, besides I'm pretty sure he only survived that blast due to the aid of the Quantum Bands which he doesn't have here.
Hey you're right, he did have that Q-Bands in that assault, and they obviously were to some extent responsible for him surviving the blast. The question here is how much of a percentage did the bands protect him versus the CCR? I do know for certain that a wielder of the CCR is many times greater than a wielder of the Q-Bands, based on Wendell's performance against Annihilus.
Quasar has never seemed to be a pushover to me, but I just don't see him as being able to survive a blast yield that had the power to wipe out several solar systems. I could say the same for a Green Lantern.
I also dislike PC age threads, because we can be talking about characters whose power levels range from Dewey the Milkman to the Beyonder.
Originally posted by Stoic
I do know for certain that a wielder of the CCR is many times greater than a wielder of the Q-Bands, based on Wendell's performance against Annihilus.
Don't be silly. Annihilus was much more powerful during that storyline, and it wasn't due to the CCR. He was amped throughout the entire storyline: there were hints scattered everywhere.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Mantis has beat Infinity Man before actually.
Shhh! Don't say that! 😛
I've been doing some digging, and that Cosmic Control Rod made Annihilus nearly as powerful as a Sky Father, so it wouldn't be a stretch to even place him on the level of low end Sky Father in the least. Aside from Annihilus being a powerhouse at base levels (without the CCR), the CCR amps his levels to an unknown exponential extent. In effect he's an A class world beater possessing high level energy, and matter manipulation powers.
The only types of characters that would viably be able to resist such power, would be guys like the Juggernaut of the good old days, or ones that could overcome it such as guys on Galactus' level. It's no wonder that he was placed in the arc, because with the momentum that Annihilus and his fleet had, there really was no stopping him, outside of a serious plot device (Galactus scale PD) unless I'm reading into it the wrong way.
Honestly though I don't think Mantis had the right stuff to have ever been able to take Annihilus on average, as he was last represented in comics.
Originally posted by Stoic
Oh yea? And then what did he do? Was this a microverse, while he was a giant? How did that all play out? You have any scans?
It was an alleged claim made when attacking Infinity Man.
I've read Thor's battle with Annihilus and I have some new respect for him. He was being amped by absorbing the essences of Asgardians, but he gave Thor a good run while being said amped. However, even while being amped and possessing the CCR he was nowhere near skyfather. Odin dismissed him with a wave of his hand.