Originally posted by The MISTER
The founding fathers who were religious would think that America is a cesspool of immorality but they'd probably think the same about the rest of the world as well.The one's that weren't religious would feel as though their mission was accomplished.
The mission was to create a country free from laws that include the hypocrisy and double standards that humans with religions are well known for. They wanted the new country to be a beacon of freedom from oppression and it is.
They would be most ashamed though at the unpatriotic behavior of the richest republicans. These people are the ones that want tax cuts despite the fact that they've put a freeze on hiring americans and put illegals to work cause it's cheaper plain and simple. They thrive on war and could care less about Americans, be they republicans or democrats.
When billionaires stop hiring it isn't because they don't have any work available it's because they don't want to. When banks don't help the taxpayers that bailed them out but they do shell out huge bonuses and throw extravagant parties....it's just unpatriotic and the founding fathers would be disgusted.
Originally posted by The MISTER
The founding fathers who were religious would think that America is a cesspool of immorality but they'd probably think the same about the rest of the world as well.The one's that weren't religious would feel as though their mission was accomplished.
The mission was to create a country free from laws that include the hypocrisy and double standards that humans with religions are well known for. They wanted the new country to be a beacon of freedom from oppression and it is.
They would be most ashamed though at the unpatriotic behavior of the richest republicans. These people are the ones that want tax cuts despite the fact that they've put a freeze on hiring americans and put illegals to work cause it's cheaper plain and simple. They thrive on war and could care less about Americans, be they republicans or democrats.
When billionaires stop hiring it isn't because they don't have any work available it's because they don't want to. When banks don't help the taxpayers that bailed them out but they do shell out huge bonuses and throw extravagant parties....it's just unpatriotic and the founding fathers would be disgusted.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Sounds like you're just projecting everything YOU believe onto them. Like most "return to the framers' intentions" crowd.
Perhaps you are right but I would hope that they were more patriotic than I am, and I wouldn't have my countrymen suffering if there was anything I could do about it.... I live from check to check and if someone asks me for some change I'll help em out just because it could be me in that predicament one day....
Some rich people would rather die than walk in the shoes of a poor man and when the stock market crashed their suicides proved it....I don't think any of the founding fathers would do anything to stunt the growth of their countrymen. Rich republicans (not middle class republicans) could care less about anything other than their own circle and would let this country go to ruin as long as they can fly to some mansion in some other part of the world. I'm sure there are some rare exceptions but very few and far between.
The founding fathers would be against the way we went into Iraq for no reason other than profit...I'm sure that you're aware by now that our republican leaders purposefully misled us into fearing a WMD ( terrorism defined) so that Haliburton could get richer and oil prices had an excuse to skyrocket.
I'm not projecting my beliefs when I say that the founding fathers would not be for people who value profit over countrymen...
Originally posted by The MISTERI've read somewhere that the rate of suicides during the Depression has been greatly over exaggerated, especially amongst the buisness elite and the old cliche of them leaping out windows.
Perhaps you are right but I would hope that they were more patriotic than I am, and I wouldn't have my countrymen suffering if there was anything I could do about it.... I live from check to check and if someone asks me for some change I'll help em out just because it could be me in that predicament one day....Some rich people would rather die than walk in the shoes of a poor man and when the stock market crashed their suicides proved it....I don't think any of the founding fathers would do anything to stunt the growth of their countrymen. Rich republicans (not middle class republicans) could care less about anything other than their own circle and would let this country go to ruin as long as they can fly to some mansion in some other part of the world. I'm sure there are some rare exceptions but very few and far between.
The founding fathers would be against the way we went into Iraq for no reason other than profit...I'm sure that you're aware by now that our republican leaders purposefully misled us into fearing a WMD ( terrorism defined) so that Haliburton could get richer and oil prices had an excuse to skyrocket.
I'm not projecting my beliefs when I say that the founding fathers would not be for people who value profit over countrymen...
Originally posted by The MISTER
Perhaps you are right but I would hope that they were more patriotic than I am, and I wouldn't have my countrymen suffering if there was anything I could do about it.... I live from check to check and if someone asks me for some change I'll help em out just because it could be me in that predicament one day....
Originally posted by The MISTER
Some rich people would rather die than walk in the shoes of a poor man and when the stock market crashed their suicides proved it....I don't think any of the founding fathers would do anything to stunt the growth of their countrymen. Rich republicans (not middle class republicans) could care less about anything other than their own circle and would let this country go to ruin as long as they can fly to some mansion in some other part of the world. I'm sure there are some rare exceptions but very few and far between.
Originally posted by The MISTER
The founding fathers would be against the way we went into Iraq for no reason other than profit...I'm sure that you're aware by now that our republican leaders purposefully misled us into fearing a WMD ( terrorism defined) so that Haliburton could get richer and oil prices had an excuse to skyrocket.
Originally posted by The MISTER
I'm not projecting my beliefs when I say that the founding fathers would not be for people who value profit over countrymen...
I don't think our founding fathers would know what to think. I imagine, however, they would be pleased to see how the country they gave birth to has endured and has even become one of the worlds most influential powers. I think they would bewildered as to how politics function today. I don't think they would be disgusted at our countries state of affairs like most people seem to believe. Even though it may be a problem...,individuals have a voice today that actually has power to influence. This is something that was not known to our founding fathers. I think they might be surprised to learn how much the media and money influence politics but again, they might be even be happy with that. The only thing i can see our founding fathers being truly disgusted with is the ignorance and disdain this countries citizens has towards their government and free republic system.
All the above posts make good points and shed some light on the true character of the founding fathers. I suppose they were well aware of what they were doing to the indians so there was always a sense of superiority amongst the new americans...
I just wish that we'd hurry up and learn that humans thrive when we come to the aid of the less fortunate people. I know that the founding fathers were not familiar with racial equality but I find it almost impossible to believe that they had little interest in the goings on of their fellow countrymen....they'd even exterminate the natives to promote the growth of their fellow citizens.
I'm sure that a few of them were puffed up and pompous as many leaders become, but I'm of the belief that there were MORE leaders then that took their job of governing as serious as any pastor that's sincere.
I still think that more of them would be dissapointed in the fact that the american government is almost completly untrusted by its citizens.
Originally posted by Lord LucienWell, there were political thinkers and leaders who abhorred slavery and defended universal sufragy back then too.
They lived over two centuries ago. Morals, values, and beliefs change from decade to decade. Two hundred years is going to see a large shift. It's like asking if the current British Monarchy held better/worse beliefs and opinions than William the Conqueror.