Not sure why the link isn't working. This is what was said from Del Ray's Facebook page:
"Just finished reading an advance copy of Star Wars: Darth Plagueis and it’s mega. Plagueis the Wise is a worthy Master to Palpatine, which brings me to the biggest win: Luceno nails Palpatine. Nails him. Not only that, he makes him an even more compelling character without in any way diminishing his potency. He’s the MAN in this book! I wish he were my mom’s boyfriend"
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
This doesn't make any sense because if Palpatine truly surpassed him, he wouldn't have killed him like a coward. It actually points to the fact that Palpatine was very much the inferior in that relationship and seized upon an opportunity, instead of facing his master on an even level.
Which makes us want a Yoda versus Plageus fight all the more, right?
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
This doesn't make any sense because if Palpatine truly surpassed him, he wouldn't have killed him like a coward. It actually points to the fact that Palpatine was very much the inferior in that relationship and seized upon an opportunity, instead of facing his master on an even level.
I don't think you grasp how Palpatine does things.
The DB said he killed him when he surpassed him. But why run the risk? A fight between two Sith of that magnitude?
A. the dark powers unleashed may warn someone near by two Sith are fighting
B. A victor isn't 100 percent certain.
Palpatine might be stronger, but Plagueis is insanely powerful as well. Why risk a fight with him when you're not guaranteed to win without some risk to yourself? Could you win without injury?
Palpatine is pretty good with risk vs. benefit.
Fight Plagueis on open ground? He could win, but there's a chance he could lose.
Murder Plagueis in his sleep? No chance of injury, no fuss, no muss, and the worst case scenario is Plagueis wakes up and a fight ensues anyways.
I'd go with option B.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Put it this way: See Exar Kun vs. Ulic Qel-Droma? Ulic is stronger and would win overall, eventually, right? But not without difficulty, or risk to himself.Same difference
Would do you mean eventually? I'd say he'd win 1 out of 10 times.. There's nothing about him that makes him stronger.
Originally posted by Turr_PhennirMe assuming Palpatine was the weaker is as valid as the assumption that Palpatine wanted to maximize his gains and what not. Either or could be true. That he did it the cowardly way isn't debatable. It would have been nice if they had a Bane vs. Zannah titanic battle.
I think he meant Kun.
DS
Me assuming Palpatine was the weaker is as valid as the assumption that Palpatine wanted to maximize his gains and what not. Either or could be true.
Except you referred to it as a "fact" earlier in the thread. It's possible, but what is possible doesn't equate to factual and that is where you made your mistake.
Otherwise, I agree.
DS
That he did it the cowardly way isn't debatable.
Where was that being debated?
DS
It would have been nice if they had a Bane vs. Zannah titanic battle.
uh no
Not everything has to end in a titanic battle. It's not Palpatine's style (unless forced).
It 'would be nice' for who? Bane was stronger than Zannah, but she was still set on winning.
Palpatine isn't weaker. It's outright said he's stronger and Palpatine, when reflecting on the murder, gloats how Plagueis didn't realize how strong he really was, and how Plagueis was a relic and a fool.
It's not valid when you consider that Palpatine has every reason to want to minimize his risk. Again, how much stronger was he? Not enough to just outright stomp him in a duel. You think Palpatine would allow a 10 percent chance of victory for Plagueis in a fight if he had an easier way?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
It 'would be nice' for who? Bane was stronger than Zannah, but she was still set on winning.
Palpatine isn't weaker. It's outright said he's stronger and Palpatine, when reflecting on the murder, gloats how Plagueis didn't realize how strong he really was, and how Plagueis was a relic and a fool.
It's not valid when you consider that Palpatine has every reason to want to minimize his risk. Again, how much stronger was he? Not enough to just outright stomp him in a duel. You think Palpatine would allow a 10 percent chance of victory for Plagueis in a fight if he had an easier way? [/B]
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Well, stronger physically and with a saber, obviously not stronger in wills or sith sorcery.
to be fair, It was pointed out their wills were essentially equal. And he was stronger in the force
Where was it stated that he was already stronger?This only works if Palpatine was definitely already stronger. Otherwise, my point stands.
It says in the databank he killed his master after he'd surpassed him.
I'm pretty sure other media say Palpatine surpassed Plagueis as well.
Again, why are you so convinced killing Plagueis in his sleep proves weakness? Are you going to reasonably deny that even a weaker opponent can give a stronger one trouble, and potentially claim a victory? Why run ANY risk you don't have to?
With Yoda, Yoda realized he'd die in an extended fight eventually...Palpatine still wasn't keen on a straight fight