Raphael vs Wolverine

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Again he more skilled then any of them. He faster then any of them. he stronger the any of them. his weapon can cut right through them and there weapons like butter. He also has insane damage soak, them putting him down, before they die is not happening.

dude they don't randomly get one sided prep time......honestly was this even a serous arguement?

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
again it would not make them cannon to original story. Thats like trying to argue that x-men tv show is cannon to x-men comics it not. There different cannon. They do not back eachother up or can be used as evidences to support eachother.

Thunder cats for one has comics, but there not cannon. There cannon to themselfs, but the original and actaul cannon is the original TV show.

Is Wolverine really superior statwise all across the board? With his sheer amount of feats it would be easy to cough up his feats, but is he statistically that way? If there is a difference it isn't much of one. Except durability (bones not body) and healing.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
What is canon is what the creators deem as such and nothing more. The tmnt have about 30 years of history, a short run comic isn't all of it.

Is Wolverine really superior statwise all across the board? With his sheer amount of feats it would be easy to cough up his feats, but is he statistically that way? If there is a difference it isn't much of one. Except durability (bones not body) and healing.

yes he is. It not even that, the turtles don't even stack up to his mid level feats let a lone his high ones. They arnt in his level. Wolverine is superhuman across the boards. The turtles are very much human ball park physically.

Turtles feats arnt even comparable to wolverines. That going by there best feats............and going by wolverien mid level ones........

Originally posted by Kinasin
He isn't more proficient at the weapons the turtles use than they are and one of them is gonna knock him out when he goes up against all of them at once and I was saying after they knocked him out they could send him into space to finish off the job. even if he cuts through one of their weapon's he will still get hit with another leonardo has two katanas......They will realize how sharp his claws are and come up with a strategy.

KO is a win, but they won't get it. You have no idea the amount of damage soak wolverine has. They have to be whaling on him, and that won't be happening when they can't block his weapons, he faster, stronger then them and more skilled then any of them. There skill feats arnt even comparable to his.

honestly your not grasping this at all. Don weapon and mikies would be almsot completely useless against wolverine.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
The creator deemed it to be a comic. It always been what it started off being it what makes it cannon. TV shows don't back up comics. Your welcome to ask a mod your self they give you the same answer. Now thats not to say you couldent make a thread that was TV turtlles or some such, but even then you have to make sure to state which tv series there been like 10. also this thread has been about comic turtles from the start. TV turtles are most deffiently off topic.

yes he is. It not even that, the turtles don't even stack up to his mid level feats let a lone his high ones. They arnt in his level. Wolverine is superhuman across the boards. The turtles are very much human ball park physically.

Turtles feats arnt even comparable to wolverines. That going by there best feats............and going by wolverien mid level ones........

The turtles are *not* simply human. They are low low level superhuman. Wolverine is enhanced, he is not vast superhuman by any means and isn't vastly far above DD in stats except of course the obvious. Of course Wolverine has crazy feats he has more appearances, same with Batman, DD and anybody else. They're all the same across the board I suppose since they all have loads of appearances. This is exactly what I was talking about.

edit miss read your post

turtles are much much stronger than wolverine

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
What is canon is what is canon. I never said it wasn't he original comic, I just said it isn't the only thing. If there is anything else that is continiutity it is simple as that. Same with Sf.

The turtles are *not* simply human. They are low low level superhuman. Wolverine is enhanced, he is not vast superhuman by any means and isn't vastly far above DD in stats except of course the obvious. Of course Wolverine has crazy feats he has more appearances, same with Batman, DD and anybody else. They're all the same across the board I suppose since they all have loads of appearances. This is exactly what I was talking about.

They never once been stated, nor have they shown to be superhuman physically in strength, speed ect. No there not, whata re you basing this off of? certainly not there feats or statements on pannel.

Wolverine is superhuman this is a fact. He never once on pannel been suggest as anything other then superhuman physically.

DD mid level feats are superior to ninja turtles. Honestly your argueing that they are physically within a league that they ahve never shown on pannel.

again this whole they don't have a lot of apearences, is simply a cop out. The thunder cats have way way way way less apearences by far, but they displayed superhuman stats. It not becuase they havent been in a lot of comic, it becuase there not that physically impressive.m also they fight mainly cannon fodder the majority of the time, and there been a fair amount of ninja turtle comics.

Honestly I want evidence. If they are trully the level your saying on pannel you can find evidences of it, if not it simply wishful thinking (though I agree that TV version many of which were deffiently meta human. Hell when they went to earth realm or what ever it was called, mikie achieved the level of a speedstir, but this is far different from there comic selfs).

Originally posted by Starscream M
turtles are much much stronger than wolverine

why must you lie all the time?

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
again with your nonsenses. You have clearly never once read a ninja turtle comic and yet you make such a bold claim. Honestly go away, your just gunna waste peoples time.

why must you lie all the time?

but they are certainly above guys like logan and captain america

Originally posted by Starscream M
how is that lying? turtles have enhanced strength...I didn't say they are like CL100 or anything

but they are certainly above guys like logan and captain america

No they don't. Honestly just stop, we all know you never once read there comics.

wolverine has low superhuman strength.......but some how the turtle are "much much stronger" dispite the fact they never once shown this on pannel. Hell They never even touch Logan lower end strength feats on pannel either.

but yet you still make this bold claim dispite there being zero evidence for it. great masterbruce again you show us you complete lack of credibility.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
No they don't. Honestly just stop, we all know you never once read there comics.

wolverine has low superhuman strength.......but some how the turtle are "much much stronger" dispite the fact they never once shown this on pannel. Hell They never even touch Logan lower end strength feats on pannel either.

but yet you still make this bold claim dispite there being zero evidence for it. great masterbruce again you show us you complete lack of credibility.

and I never said I read their comics...I was basing my impression from movies and cartoons.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
TV do not back comics. There not the same cannon. If you want debate TV version, make a thread, this is comic version.

They never once been stated, nor have they shown to be superhuman physically in strength, speed ect. No there not, whata re you basing this off of? certainly not there feats or statements on pannel.

Wolverine is superhuman this is a fact. He never once on pannel been suggest as anything other then superhuman physically.

DD mid level feats are superior to ninja turtles. Honestly your argueing that they are physically within a league that they ahve never shown on pannel.

again this whole they don't have a lot of apearences, is simply a cop out. The thunder cats have way way way way less apearences by far, but they displayed superhuman stats. It not becuase they havent been in a lot of comic, it becuase there not that physically impressive.m also they fight mainly cannon fodder the majority of the time, and there been a fair amount of ninja turtle comics.

Man please the "I can pull wolviefeats" is a ploy. I have pulled feats on here just like when you said couldn't move like them. My biggest concern is what is canon. I debate what is canon. I have not said what is or isn't canon. So why are you suggesting that I did. This is why I don't like SF and TMNT threads here without some specification.

If they are at their most powerful versions they stomp all across the board. If the turtles are characterized to be low level superhumans they are. They are faster than a human, definitely more durable, flexible, and agile. I don't know when they became human. I'll let starscream deal with you. 😛

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Man please the "I can pull wolviefeats" is a ploy. I have pulled feats on here just like when you said couldn't move like them.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
My biggest concern is what is canon. I debate what is canon. I have not said what is or isn't canon. So why are you suggesting that I did. This is why I don't like SF and TMNT threads here without some specification./B]

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
[B] If they are at their most powerful versions they stomp all across the board. If the turtles are characterized to be low level superhumans they are.

except they were never characterized to be low level superhumans in the comic versions, never suggest or have feats the suggest this.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
They are faster than a human, definitely more durable, flexible, and agile. I don't know when they became human. I'll let starscream deal with you. 😛

lol

edit I don't know why that one sentences is in bold, but it not on purposes.

Originally posted by Starscream M
actually...yeah I may be wrong. just wikied the turtles and it says they only have olympic level strength.

and I never said I read their comics...I was basing my impression from movies and cartoons.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
....like I said.......

Go easy on him starscream. You've owned enough people lately.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Go easy on him starscream. You've owned enough people lately.

From what I've read on the turtles Raphael would likely get tired before Logan does. And turtles are super-human in strength, Leo cuts through steel with his katanas regularly and that just can be done with human muscle.

Originally posted by Bentley
From what I've read on the turtles Raphael would likely get tired before Logan does. And turtles are super-human in strength, Leo cuts through steel with his katanas regularly and that just can be done with human muscle.