Originally posted by Omega VisionEven some of the gods couldn't hurt him.
Mind you this is just my impression based on your statement that Percy is practically invincible (and that one time when this weakness was almost exploited it was apparently avoided) seems like he'd make for a boring hero unless there's something I'm missing about the series.Here's what a Mary Sue is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_SueEragon being a rather good example from modern fantasy fiction.
True.
Originally posted by marwash22
He can still get his ass kicked. And I'm not sure how he would be a "Mary Sue", is Wonder Woman a "Mary Sue"?
Mary Sue doesn't apply the same to comics as to most media, since in superhero comics amazing powers are the norm. Most superheroes are Mary Sues to some degree, some more than others.
Wolverine is a badass-sue "I'm the best there is at what I do."
Superman can at times be a morality-sue if he's written as the only person who's view matters.
Etc.
In fantasy though there's generally a bunch of baselines and one or two tremendously OP characters. Even if one of those characters is the protagonist it's not necessarily a sign that you have a Sue. When you combine tremendous power with being the author's avatar/mouthpiece and give said character the ability to do whatever the hell they feel like without moral repercussions (Eragon, big time) you definitely have a Sue.
I'm not saying Percy Jackson is a Sue, just that giving the main character of a book nigh-invulnerability is generally a bad idea.
Originally posted by Omega VisionThanos is an evil sue.
I was looking at it from a powers perspective.Mary Sue doesn't apply the same to comics as to most media, since in superhero comics amazing powers are the norm. Most superheroes are Mary Sues to some degree, some more than others.
Wolverine is a badass-sue "I'm the best there is at what I do."
Superman can at times be a morality-sue if he's written as the only person who's view matters.
Etc.
In fantasy though there's generally a bunch of baselines and one or two tremendously OP characters. Even if one of those characters is the protagonist it's not necessarily a sign that you have a Sue. When you combine tremendous power with being the author's avatar/mouthpiece and give said character the ability to do whatever the hell they feel like without moral repercussions (Eragon, big time) you definitely have a Sue.
I'm not saying Percy Jackson is a Sue, just that giving the main character of a book nigh-invulnerability is generally a bad idea.
Originally posted by marwash22
wouldn't Squirrel girl be the ultimate Mary Sue?
You can be a baseline human with no powers to speak of or kick-ass fighting skill and be a Mary Sue thanks to your annoying personality.
Squirrel Girl can be a Sue, but she's not that bad.
Edit: Here's the test: http://www.springhole.net/quizzes/marysue.htm
Originally posted by marwash22
what character would you say is one of the best examples?
It honestly depends on the writer, some are worst than others. But there are a lot of them that stand out:
The Question as written by Steve Ditko was insufferable unless you're a hardcore objectivist.
Ditto for Green Arrow for the opposite reasons when he's written by a particularly liberal writer.
Superman of course, though this got a lot less pronounced Post Crisis when he stopped being allowed to do anything to his friends in the name of teaching morality lessons and started being portrayed with actual character faults.
Wolverine. Big time. The sad thing is Marvel tries to encourage it.
Early Kyle Rayner. People adjusted to him being the new GL way too easily.
Doctor Doom. Almost every mistake or defeat has been retconned as a Doombot.
Ditto for Darkseid and Thanos.
Damian Wayne. He's the only thing I really hate about Grant Morrison's work.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
In comics?It honestly depends on the writer, some are worst than others. But there are a lot of them that stand out:
The Question as written by Steve Ditko was insufferable unless you're a hardcore objectivist.
Ditto for Green Arrow for the opposite reasons when he's written by a particularly liberal writer.
Superman of course, though this got a lot less pronounced Post Crisis when he stopped being allowed to do anything to his friends in the name of teaching morality lessons and started being portrayed with actual character faults.
Wolverine. Big time. The sad thing is Marvel tries to encourage it.
Early Kyle Rayner. People adjusted to him being the new GL way too easily.
Doctor Doom. Almost every mistake or defeat has been retconned as a Doombot.
Ditto for Darkseid and Thanos.
Damian Wayne. He's the only thing I really hate about Grant Morrison's work.
I just recently realized, or to be more frank, found out that when Thanos was teamed up with Mangog, that it wasn't the real Thanos... what a crock. Can you imagine what the Questions breath must smell like? Now that's a question!
Anyhow what do you think of a Bison vs Mandarin thread? 🤘 or ❌
Originally posted by Colossus-Big CIf hes 100% accurate then he never misses.It doesn't matter who dodges him.If hes been dodged then hes not 100% accurate.
people with enhanced speed have dodged him , and dodging someone doest mean he isnt accuratehe did in cross over twice
Crossovers aren't canon.
Originally posted by Black bolt zif a target moves after you throw something that no way proves your not acurrate. if a 100% acurrate machine shot at flash and flash waits and moves right before the bullet touch him does that in any way mean the machine is inaccurate?
If hes 100% accurate then he never misses.It doesn't matter who dodges him.If hes been dodged then hes not 100% accurate.Crossovers aren't canon.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big CIt doesn't matter if he dodged or not.
if a target moves after you throw something that no way proves your not acurrate. if a 100% acurrate machine shot at flash and flash waits and moves right before the bullet touch him does that in any way mean the machine is inaccurate?
If I hit a wall with my fist and the wall doesn't move and I hit it everytime does that mean i'm 100% accurate with my fist?Because my target doesn't move?
Things move.Thats part of being accurate.If you miss a moving target or even if its dodged your not 100% accurate.