Originally posted by Sethos
Crom is not a selfish, jealous, or petty God. He makes no claims about being the 'only' God, the 'one true God', or any other such self - gratifying remarks, for Crom's self does not need serving. He is beyond that, and he is greater than those Gods who clamour and beg for mortal recognition. What need hath the Great Crom of such? He is Great because he seeks not to further his Greatness. Only a lesser god need do that. Bah! The lesser gods know nothing of Crom's might, and are as mortals next to Father Crom. I must not b going of the comics where he meets thor but this is how they put Crom in the conan books. Ill check where he meets thor. It will take me some time to find the comic on the net tho.
I agree. Cimmerians didn't pray to Crom, because they knew he simply didn't care. He only gifts the strength of his sword arm and the fire in his heart to man. After that, you're on your own.
Originally posted by BerserkersRage
I agree. Cimmerians didn't pray to Crom, because they knew he simply didn't care. He only gifts the strength of his sword arm and the fire in his heart to man. After that, you're on your own.
So I guess what happened in the comics wasn't written then? The Cimmerians called on Crom, or Mitra or whatever pagan god that they worshiped, and it in turn powered the deities in that era. Which is why Crom told Thor that this was not his time.
This means that there would be a time that Crom would lose power, because he would no longer be remembered. New deities replaced him, and became the new order of things while he faded into obscurity.
Think what you will, but it was written that way.
Originally posted by King Kandy
No, he didn't. The only reason Sise-Neg didn't kill him was that it would take more energy than he could be bothered with to do so.
He said he didn't even want to attempt to destroy Shuma-Gorath because it absorbed energy. Saying he could have destroyed Shuma at that point is entirely speculation. Shuma would have continued to get stronger while Sise-Neg would have continued to get weaker. How does that lead to Sise-Neg winning?
Originally posted by zopzop
But he beat him though. That's all that counts 🙂Oh trust me, he schooled them both (Arioch and Shuma) in their own realms which makes it more embarrassing. One of them, Arioch, was supposedly as strong as he wanted to be, yet Strange absorbed him completely. It wasn't much of a fight either. Arioch was even fooled by simple illusions!
Next came Shuma, a little back and forth, then Strange hurls a voodoo doll flaming simulacrum of Earth at Shuma, fights over. In his realm. Where he's supposedly omnipotent. 😆
Color me unimpressed.
Crom Shuma =/= Steve Englehart Shuma. So Crom never beat the Shuma that Strange tangled with.
It was Shuma-Gorath's own energy that destroyed it so it makes sense.Strange needed massive amounts of preparation in order to face Shuma, having magical backing from Cyttorak and the Vishanti and merging with another Lord of Chaos was just some of this prep. Shuma-Gorath has proved a force to be reckoned with. It feeds off all types of energy, magically generated or otherwise, its intelligence is incalcuable, is one of the few Gods shown to generate its own magical energy (most Gods and magicians use magic or spells by calling upon another source), made a replica of earth and surrounded it in a ring of fire as well as puta spell on it to make everyone writhe in agony when Strange/Arioch tried to remove it, generated an image of Dormammu admitting inferiority to its power, used its image to almost murder Doctor Strange within the Ancient One's mind, is revealed to be incapable of dying as anything that manages to pull enough power to defeat it will be consumed by its energy and turn into Shuma-Gorath itself, rules over hundreds of dimensions (universes), stalemated The Vishanti (Agamotto, Oshtur, Hoggoth) when outside of its realm, stated to have power in one of its lesser realms that made Mephisto and Satannish look like "mice in a great temple" at a time when those two Gods were written to be exceptionally powerful compared to nowadays, was made of sufficient power to destroy galaxies just by being present, and even forced a Sise-Neg who was near the end of his magical absorption to put it to sleep rather than try and combat it directly.
And btw, Strange's absorption of Arioch is called PIS. Ever heard of it?
Originally posted by CortSether
Crom Shuma =/= Steve Englehart Shuma. So Crom never beat the Shuma that Strange tangled with.
Shuma was trapped by Crom and it was acknowledged in his handbook. So I'm guessing its canon.
It was Shuma-Gorath's own energy that destroyed it so it makes sense.Strange needed massive amounts of preparation in order to face Shuma, having magical backing from Cyttorak and the Vishanti and merging with another Lord of Chaos was just some of this prep. Shuma-Gorath has proved a force to be reckoned with. It feeds off all types of energy, magically generated or otherwise, its intelligence is incalcuable, is one of the few Gods shown to generate its own magical energy (most Gods and magicians use magic or spells by calling upon another source), made a replica of earth and surrounded it in a ring of fire as well as puta spell on it to make everyone writhe in agony when Strange/Arioch tried to remove it, generated an image of Dormammu admitting inferiority to its power, used its image to almost murder Doctor Strange within the Ancient One's mind, is revealed to be incapable of dying as anything that manages to pull enough power to defeat it will be consumed by its energy and turn into Shuma-Gorath itself, rules over hundreds of dimensions (universes), stalemated The Vishanti (Agamotto, Oshtur, Hoggoth) when outside of its realm, stated to have power in one of its lesser realms that made Mephisto and Satannish look like "mice in a great temple" at a time when those two Gods were written to be exceptionally powerful compared to nowadays, was made of sufficient power to destroy galaxies just by being present, and even forced a Sise-Neg who was near the end of his magical absorption to put it to sleep rather than try and combat it directly.And btw, Strange's absorption of Arioch is called PIS. Ever heard of it? [/B]
PIS eh? Well I guess lightening must of struck twice because after absorbing Arioch, he goes on and schools an "omnipotent" Gorath in his own realm.
Both loses were humiliating because a) it happened in their own realms and b) the ease in which it happened to supposedly "omnipotent" beings. Freaking Dormammu, Mephisto, and Satannish supposedly "mice" compared to Shuma never went down so easy.
Originally posted by zopzop
Shuma was trapped by Crom and it was acknowledged in his handbook. So I'm guessing its canon.PIS eh? Well I guess lightening must of struck twice because after absorbing Arioch, he goes on and schools an "omnipotent" Gorath in his own realm.
Both loses were humiliating because a) it happened in their own realms and b) the ease in which it happened to supposedly "omnipotent" beings. Freaking Dormammu, Mephisto, and Satannish supposedly "mice" compared to Shuma never went down so easy.
It's only mentioned because Marvel published some Conan for a while, but the writers of the Conan series weren't Marvel writers. Nothing in Conan effects the Marvel continuity at all so it =/= canon.
Yea, it's PIS. When has Strange ever before that battle or any time after that battle been able to force a god to merge with him? It was simply plot device for Strange do even have a hope of getting through the situation. Lol at you saying the battle went down easy. I doubt you've looked at more than a few scans of the arc.
Originally posted by CortSether👆
It's only mentioned because Marvel published some Conan for a while, but the writers of the Conan series weren't Marvel writers. Nothing in Conan effects the Marvel continuity at all so it =/= canon.Yea, it's PIS. When has Strange ever before that battle or any time after that battle been able to force a god to merge with him? It was simply plot device for Strange do even have a hope of getting through the situation. Lol at you saying the battle went down easy. I doubt you've looked at more than a few scans of the arc.
Originally posted by CortSether
It's only mentioned because Marvel published some Conan for a while, but the writers of the Conan series weren't Marvel writers. Nothing in Conan effects the Marvel continuity at all so it =/= canon.
Then how do you explain the Set entries? They are canon like Crom's beat down of Gorath.
Yea, it's PIS. When has Strange ever before that battle or any time after that battle been able to force a god to merge with him? It was simply plot device for Strange do even have a hope of getting through the situation. Lol at you saying the battle went down easy. I doubt you've looked at more than a few scans of the arc.
Then the entire story arc must have been PIS. Because Strange handed Shuma his ass by hurling a flaming simulacrum of Earth at him. Game Over.
Absorbs his lieutenant? Check!
Kills Gorath by hurling a glorified dodge ball in his grill? Check!
Gorath beatdown, in his own realm, accomplished! 😆
Let Strange try that sxxt with Mephisto and Satannish in their realms. He should be able to easily right? Since they were "as rats in a great temple" before Gorath.
Originally posted by john allerdyce
your arguments are bulletproof zop. noneAnyway the story said that Crom had imprisoned Shuma within the mountain for "eons". that right there is enough to say that mainstream Shuma =/= Conan Shuma, as mainstream Shuma was ACTIVE when Conan Shuma was INACTIVE.
kthxbye. 🙂
Ok care to tell me what comics this occurred in?
Crom imprisoned Gorath to about 18-12000 BCE Earth time. Tell what issue shows him as active and free during this time and I'll secede my point.
Originally posted by zopzopShuma making appearances in mainstream marvel before that should be enough evidence... Unless you think mainstream marvels timeline coincides with the conan timeline. And if you think that then I may as well stop now. srsly
Ok care to tell me what comics this occurred in?Crom imprisoned Gorath to about 18-12000 BCE Earth time. Tell what issue shows him as active and free during this time and I'll secede my point.
Originally posted by john allerdyce
Shuma making appearances in mainstream marvel before that should be enough evidence... Unless you think mainstream marvels timeline coincides with the conan timeline. And if you think that then I may as well stop now. srsly
What are you talking about? Did Gorath appear in a Marvel story that took place between 18-12000 BCE? If so what issue was it? If no then cut the BS.
Originally posted by zopzopthere's no reason for me to prove that. even when conan was written by marvel, its events obviously occurred in an alternate universe. and there is no proof that past events in the conan universe occurred at the same time in mainstream marvels timeline. get me?
What are you talking about? Did Gorath appear in a Marvel story that took place between 18-12000 BCE? If so what issue was it? If no then cut the BS.
Originally posted by john allerdyce
there's no reason for me to prove that. even when conan was written by marvel, its events obviously occurred in an alternate universe. and there is no proof that past events in the conan universe occurred at the *relative* same time in mainstream marvels timeline. get me?
Now I know you're full of BS.
Set, the Elder God, jumped from the pages of Conan to mainstream Marvel.
His whole back story was tightly integrated into mainstream Marvel continuity.
I believe the imprisonment of Gorath by Crom is even in his Official Marvel bio. So you need to tell me what issues Gorath was supposedly active in during the time he was imprisoned by Crom circa 18-12000 BCE.
@ Colossus
No, Crom is not an Elder God. He's much younger. coming on the scene around 20-18000 BCE. Much, much later than Set and crew.
Originally posted by zopzopwhat are his origions
Now I know you're full of BS.Set, the Elder God, jumped from the pages of Conan to mainstream Marvel.
His whole back story was tightly integrated into mainstream Marvel continuity.
I believe the imprisonment of Gorath by Crom is even in his Official Marvel bio. So you need to tell me what issues Gorath was supposedly active in during the time he was imprisoned by Crom circa 18-12000 BCE.
@ Colossus
No, Crom is not an Elder God. He's much younger. coming on the scene around 20-18000 BCE. Much, much later than Set and crew.
@Colossus
I don't think it was ever really explained. Just that he was a young/new God that handed Gorath his ass.
Other Gods from this era include Mitra, Asura, Bori, and a few more I'm not recalling.
Crom, Set (the Elder God who continued to have worshipers), Mitra, and one other I think Asura, were the major Gods of this era 18-12000 BCE.