Originally posted by janus77
Wanda >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odin, so don't see the relevance there... plus, who disputes bfr?mostly irrelevant to this fight but:
1) Savage Hulk had no control whatsoever, over his transformations or personal power.
2) does not demonstrate drainage of power, ala Surfer, he manages to just trigger the reverse transformation. something which will not aid Loki in this encounter (as Bruce Banner >>> Abomination, post M-day, iirc).
3) no denying BFR works, but I was speaking about the results of a fight, not ways to avoid a fight.
4) current Hulk is a balance of Bruce and Hulk aspects, he has fuller control over his powers (as is being demonstrated), resisting absorption by Rulk (who previously did drain Savage Hulk). so even Gamma drainage is off the table
imo, not a contest... Hulk would murder Loki if Loki got even momentarily stunned by a glancing blow.
What has Wanda to do with this?
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Beating a nerdy scientist in a purple torn jeans shouldn't be that hard.
oh and, on-panel, Cho used BannerTech iPod to KO Thor! 😄
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Mr Parmaniac fully understands that WWH wasn't the Banner he is now and Mr. Parmaniac also keeps in mind that WWH never had an iPod and therefore Banner also wouldn't carry an iPod nor any other of his current tech 🙂
anyway, there's no evidence at all that Loki can drain Gamma, let alone do it to someone who has Hulk's power ... it would be madness to even attempt that ... Hulk would just punch Loki's head off, before Loki could even begin to affect a drainage.
more over, if you want to randomly give Loki powers he's not demonstrated, you still have to deal with the fact that current Hulk is >>>> Savage Hulk in all aspects, such that the Rulk who casually drained Savage Hulk could not even affect current "WBH"/WWH Hulk in the least bit. and Rulk was going all out for the kill (even telling himself that Betty would understand/that it was the right thing to do) ...
Originally posted by janus77Again WORLD WAR HULK never had any back pockets nor was that incarnation of Banner the cold prep genius he is now. Take a look at Banner after he turned back from WWH, if I'm not mistaken he was completely naked.
it's in his back pocket, how else do you think he keeps tabs on Rulk ✅
Originally posted by janus77Not sure if this is directed to me cause I've never said anything about that, I first replied here saying that if he would/could turn him into Banner he (Loki) wouldn't have any trouble to take out Banner.
anyway, there's no evidence at all that Loki can drain Gamma, let alone do it to someone who has Hulk's power ... it would be madness to even attempt that ... Hulk would just punch Loki's head off, before Loki could even begin to affect a drainage.more over, if you want to randomly give Loki powers he's not demonstrated, you still have to deal with the fact that current Hulk is >>>> Savage Hulk in all aspects, such that the Rulk who casually drained Savage Hulk could not even affect current "WBH"/WWH Hulk in the least bit. and Rulk was going all out for the kill (even telling himself that Betty would understand/that it was the right thing to do) ...
Here is a specific version of the Hulk which has nothing to do with current Banner, in fact the current badass Banner started after the WWH event. To claim when he drains out WWH Banner uses all of his Banner tech is like arguing that current Thor suddenly uses the Odin Force again.
And even if, he won't have any of his flashy toys cause this match starts with WWH in his WWH gear
Care to show where his iPod, Oldpower gun or stroke device is stuck?
the "✅" was meant to indicate that I wasn't serious about back-pocket iPods... but it is very likely that Banner has contingencies for the (very slim) possibility of being gamma drained. he has shown huge feats of prep and contingency planning...
the rest of my post was a reiteration of the fact that depowering and triggering a transformation are not the same thing. that Savage Hulk and Banner did not share the Hulk-power, unlike more modern incarnations (post M-day, through the development of meditation techniques and other character changes in Banner). presently, if Hulk changes back to his Banner form, he retains the strength of Hulk, as Banner demonstrated when he KOed Abomination with a single punch.
If Hulk is drained then Banner has no extra-power, hence resorting to tech. but Rulk could not drain current Hulk, thus current Banner would be possessed of some level of Hulk power.
BannerTech is in current continuity, WWH is in current continuity, "Bad Ass Banner" is just Bruce Banner taking care of business. he doesn't need to do that, unless he's disconnected from his powers... so current WWH would transform out to current Banner.
Holy crap are people really that far gone in the WWH hype that they think WWH can do anything to Loki, if Loki was at least semi-conscious?
Loki goes intangible then starts casting spells left and right and seeing what lands. Loki's astral self stays far enough away that nothing WWH does can reach or touch him.
Loki wins 10/10, then has time enough to go "mess" with the Enchantress. 😎
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I didn't take time to go through the rest of the posts between this one and my response so no one take offense. I have a problem with the depowerment issue. That was an old immature Hulk that loki toyed with Banner controls the change these days, which is something that Loki can't turn off. back in the good old days Banner could be induced into Hulking out by just seeing a great pair of tata's. These type's of mind tricks won't work these days. Bfr is the only solution.
Originally posted by janus77
... Hulk would rip Loki to shreds, whether Loki went intangible or not. Hulk is capable of warping and ripping pure energy (regularly bouncing it off of his hands!) and of grabbing and tearing "magic" (Hulk straddles both worlds with his powers) like on the astral plane.
This is true.
Originally posted by The Nuul
Loki really does stomp. Only Hulk fanboys say he loses.
Calling people fanboys and sticking with that as a basis to make a point is weak. Ok so what happens when a person agrees to liking a character, does the fanboy jabs stop? What does being a fan have to do with canonical events that have taken place in the comic series, and how does that address any solid issues? The hulk has fought ZZzaxxzz or whatever you call the bum, and he has touched him, ZZaxzz (whatever) was a pure energy being an intangible being.
