Originally posted by Warlord
ok don't want to get disrespectful or anything but me from my part cannot be convinced that Hulk can hit an intangible opponent jsut because he has fought Jaxx in the past.Sorry not enough evidence for me and I won't go further in this debate.
Perhaps others are more willing
I feel the same, but you always have the firm BFR as a win.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It would... had Loki not depowered him.... and that's the point. facepalm
Oh I knew what your point was. My point in stating the obvious was to show you that it wasn't a tactic that could be used in modern versions of the Hulk. Banner is in full control of the Hulk on a psychological level. Loki pulled the old Jedi mind trick, which as I stated gets no play today. Did you see Loki remove the Gamma rads from Banner? No, he was the Hulk in the next issue.
^ ... we just went over why it couldn't be a mind-trick.
If all Loki did was calm him down, Banner would have Hulked back up immediately in his panicked plunge. Banner could not control turning into the Hulk in times of stress. Ergo, his state of mind and his lack of control had nothing to do with Loki turning Hulk into Banner.
Loki depowered him. And magically prevented him from turning into the Hulk. And current Hulk has been depowered. And that recent depowerment had nothing to do with his state of mind and full control. Same as when Loki did it.
what it showed was that Loki affected Savage Hulk's mind, which is all that Loki was capable of, and halted the stress-mechanism; thus making Hulk calm down and return to his Banner form. later on, did Loki pump Banner full of Gamma in order to return him to Hulk? no, he just reversed the effects of his mind attack and let Banner's stress levels do the rest of the work.
it even states that Loki was affecting the transformation. nowhere does it suggest that Savage Hulk's energies were being drained.
we know too that Sentry (to whom Loki is but a toy) couldn't do jack to calm or revert WWH, that Rulk (to whom Thor is but a toy) couldn't drain him and that WWH is Bruce & the Hulk aspect in balance and control of the powers.
Sentry = mind/emotion attack. works on Savage Hulk, fails on WWH.
Rulk = energy drainage, works on Savage Hulk (and cosmics) fails on WWH
and, WWH >>> all aspects of past Hulks, including Savage Hulk... thus this silly notion of Loki affecting his mind is just nonsensical.
unless Loki has a Surfer like record of energy absorption, Loki is not doing anything to Hulk. hell Rulk couldn't absorb Hulk's power, what the hell makes anyone think a non-entity like Loki would manage it?
seriously, the Thor-love in this place ❌ lol.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ ... we just went over why it couldn't be a mind-trick.If all Loki did was calm him down, Banner would have Hulked back up immediately in his panicked plunge. Banner could not control turning into the Hulk in times of stress. Ergo, his state of mind and his lack of control had nothing to do with Loki turning Hulk into Banner.
this cannot be replicated now, as Sentry's and Reed's confrontations proved but also as the underlying mechanism shifted with the evolution of the Banner-Hulk psychology... WWH is in control of his mind and emotions, it's what allows him to open up more, to be more aggressive without fear of destroying everything....
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Strange should have been able to one shot Hulk.WWH is alomst as full of PIS as rulk.
Strange has resources Loki could never dream of, so it means sod all to speculate over what Strange "should have" been able to do.
we know Loki's some piddling illusion caster who is more of thorn in the butt of Thor, not some major magical force in the universe or a powerhouse like Sentry ...
Originally posted by janus77Exactly.Hulk defeating strange possesed by an abstract is PIS.
and on-panel, Hulk 3 shotted Strange-Zom. Loki wouldn't even survive one 😐.Strange has resources Loki could never dream of, so it means sod all to speculate over what Strange "should have" been able to do.
we know Loki's some piddling illusion caster who is more of thorn in the butt of Thor, not some major magical force in the universe or a powerhouse like Sentry ...
Originally posted by The Nuul
BUT this time no PIS to cause CIS. Strange was a dumb ass for the sake of the plot. Loki wont be like that.
Exactly! He stated straight up he could extinguish Banner's soul and that would be the end of that.
If Strange can, Loki should be able to with ease. Loki's a master magician with literally thousand's of years of practice perfecting his craft.
I can't believe people are arguing in WWH's favor with a straight face. Fanboyism causes mental rot it seems.