Originally posted by illadelph12
No it doesn't. You're assuming his durability without knowing the composition of his mass, or any feats or references to base it on. Hell, you just said a few posts back neither of us knew the thing's physiology, but you're simply assuming it's above what Apocalypse could destroy based on nothing. He could be made out of plant matter or fungus for all we know.
Orion should know it though, and he seemed pretty certain he was capable of crushing/holding the Earth.
Darkseids also admitted to Promethean Giants being really powerful, which means something given the only thing Darkseid respects is power.
Originally posted by cdtm
Orion should know it though, and he seemed pretty certain he was capable of crushing/holding the Earth.Darkseids also admitted to Promethean Giants being really powerful, which means something given the only thing Darkseid respects is power.
Yeah, Darky needed help to control a Giant. He couldn't do it with power alone. Poccy isn't on Darkseid's level.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Yeah, Darky needed help to control a Giant. He couldn't do it with power alone. Poccy isn't on Darkseid's level.
Never said Apocalypse was on Darkseid's level.
However, Apocalypse also isn't trying to mind control and use the Giant as a living weapon for the purposes of a story, and Darkseid didn't attempt to just simply fly into it's head and Omega Beam everything he around him to try and kill it, so it's really of no consequence to my point.
Originally posted by cdtm
Orion should know it though, and he seemed pretty certain he was capable of crushing/holding the Earth.Darkseids also admitted to Promethean Giants being really powerful, which means something given the only thing Darkseid respects is power.
This still proves nothing. Gedirath is obviously of significant mass to the point that the Earth could fit in the palm of his hand, and physically strong enough to crush the Earth. This in no way provides evidence to the material Gedirath is made of.
Here:
Swamp Thing is strong enough to crush a stone with his hands at his normal size. Now, make Swamp Thing Gedirath's size (where the Earth is about the size of a plum compared to his hand), and scale up his physical strength to be proportionate to his new physical dimensions. Is Swamp Thing going to be able to crush the Earth in his hand?
Originally posted by illadelph12Yes?
This still proves nothing. Gedirath is obviously of significant mass to the point that the Earth could fit in the palm of his hand, and physically strong enough to crush the Earth. This in no way provides evidence to the material Gedirath is made of.Here:
Swamp Thing is strong enough to crush a stone with his hands at his normal size. Now, make Swamp Thing Gedirath's size (where the Earth is about the size of a plum compared to his hand), and scale up his physical strength to be proportionate to his new physical dimensions. Is Swamp Thing going to be able to crush the Earth in his hand?
Originally posted by illadelph12
Never said Apocalypse was on Darkseid's level.However, Apocalypse also isn't trying to mind control and use the Giant as a living weapon for the purposes of a story, and Darkseid didn't attempt to just simply fly into it's head and Omega Beam everything he around him to try and kill it, so it's really of no consequence to my point.
Has Poccy lips ever done that to someone on the Giants level? Anyone?
He's never been in this type of scenario, particularly because it's purely hypothetical to begin with. That's the nature of these battles.
Regardless of that it doesn't detract from the fact that the avenue of attack is open for his exploitation. A character does not have to have experienced a specific action against a specific opponent, nor are they limited to the exact actions and events which occur in the pages of the plotted comics. Their canon activities give us a gauge of their operating power levels, but it doesn't mean, for example, that Superman is limited to only punching in the form and fashion he used in JLA #17 or FC #3 and couldn't perform an action that is a reasonable application of his established ability and powerset in these hypothetical scenarios, like say, hitting Thor with a Stone Cold Stunner.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Easy win? No just no. Even the most Apoc friendly scenarios that Illa proposed would take decades to accomplish realistically.
That's the same strategy I had in mind. It would maybe take Apoc weeks or months, but definitely not decades. High end class 100 who has a wide range of powers. And no matter how long it would take Apoc, it would still be an easy win. Gedir wouldn't be able to touch him once Apoc is inside his head.