How strong are the new gods physically?

I have been looking all over the net for scans of new gods showing their physical strength and I have made no progress. However, I visited a few forums that said lightray is strong enough to lift mountains, cities, and strong enough to slam takion into moons and stars. Lightray is physically weaker than new gods such as big barda, orion, and kalibak. Can someone please post scans of the new gods showing their physical strength so I can gauge their strength levels?

The physically strongest New Gods are Superman-level.

Only a few are in Superman's class. Lightray certainly isn't one of them. He's low level for enhanced strength.

Mr. Miracle is sometimes shown as olympic or enhanced but he isnt Superman level either.

Most of them aren't. it's a minority, but a decent one...

In the physical bodies they use to interact with the DCU they can range from people like Desaad who are exactly as strong as they look (in Desaad's case frail) to people like Orion or Darkseid who are in the same weight class as Superman.

It's really hard to say what the "average" is, because there really isn't one. Most of them though are said to have "New God physiology" which allows for some liberties when portraying their strength, but very few of them (in terms of volume) ever show strength greater than that of say Venom.

Lightray lifting half of celestial city (though I dnt know if he did it with brute strength or some other means)

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/NewGods09-15.jpg

Slams takion through moon at supersonic speeds

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Takion7-13.jpg

Slams takion through the sun at 8x lightspeed

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Takion7-14.jpg

Now I just need scans of him destroying meteors with punches with superman and

resisting a black hole's pull. Anyone with those scans please post them.

It looks like Lightray was possessed by someone else, they way he talked in the first scan. He's capable of upping Superman's strength through his powers, but I'm seen him physically outclassed by people like Starfire.

Lightray had been driven mad in that instance after the Source was contaminated by Orion's murder of Darkseid:
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/8050/lr1d.jpg

Originally posted by roughrider
It looks like Lightray was possessed by someone else, they way he talked in the first scan. He's capable of upping Superman's strength through his powers, but I'm seen him physically outclassed by people like Starfire.

Lightray is a strong and powerful as Orion or any other New Genesian not named Highfather or Takion, he just puts the breaks on his powers.

I also remember back in the Kirby days when he was wrecked by Kalibak h2h to near death, the reason for that was Kalibak was the more skilled warrior.

He restricts himself on average; when he went insane he was unleashing all his power.

EDIT: Lightray is one of the most pacifist gods in the 4th world.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
In the physical bodies they use to interact with the DCU they can range from people like Desaad who are exactly as strong as they look (in Desaad's case frail) to people like Orion or Darkseid who are in the same weight class as Superman.

It's really hard to say what the "average" is, because there really isn't one. Most of them though are said to have "New God physiology" which allows for some liberties when portraying their strength, but very few of them (in terms of volume) ever show strength greater than that of say Venom.

Is Desaad as frail as he looks? For example he has shown an ability to morph into a larger form (impersonating his employer). If a human without any special skills or concentrated strength training attacked him, I don't think they'd find him frail.

you buy the retro retcon beating of DS at the hands of DD as Desaad being more then he is known for, due that showing who was originally written for DS?

Originally posted by Allankles
Is Desaad as frail as he looks? For example he has shown an ability to morph into a larger form (impersonating his employer). If a human without any special skills or concentrated strength training attacked him, I don't think they'd find him frail.

Batman tricked Metron into changing his physiology to that similar to what a human was, and then knocked him out. This leaves the idea that even Metron, the least 'fighty' of the New Gods would be well beyond a human capacity to harm in regular state.

The idea of the gaps between the New Gods, is to show just how powerful the UPPER tiers of them are in combat prowess when compared to the lower ones. Lowliest of New Gods [like Desaad] would still be a match for most Earth-based characters. While still being able to get pimped smacked unconscious by the likes of Darkseid. These characters are gods.

This also shows the gap between Superman and his peers, when Supes is the only Earth character that could actually challenge Darkseid.

anyone recall how batman escaped torture and usurped Desaads position in the wrong of ages storyline?

On a scale size - doesn't the New Gods Dimension make planets look like grains of sand ?

I don't think it really matters how Strong they are, its all about their hyper abilities and technology (Which is probably a manifestation of their personal power) in the end.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
On a scale size - doesn't the New Gods Dimension make planets look like grains of sand ?

I don't think it really matters how Strong they are, its all about their hyper abilities and technology (Which is probably a manifestation of their personal power) in the end.

depends in which retcon you are using..

once upon a time the new gods home dimension was on a higher plane of existence where one needed a boom tube to shrink or enlarge themselves to suit the universe..

sadly that hasnt bn used in a few retcons since then since, supes can fly to the new gods dimension that now inhabits the regular DCU at the edge of the universe.

Originally posted by King Castle
depends in which retcon you are using..

once upon a time the new gods home dimension was on a higher plane of existence where one needed a boom tube to shrink or enlarge themselves to suit the universe..

sadly that hasnt bn used in a few retcons since then since, supes can fly to the new gods dimension that now inhabits the regular DCU at the edge of the universe.

Why do you think when Darkseid fell, he cracked the multiverse and started dragging it down with him? lol.

hmm.. you are correct, i guess. but that doesnt apply to all the new gods but just him.

also Orion killed his father the 1st time which the started his resurrection the second time around and his fall that didnt occur the 1st time in his original body..