How strong are the new gods physically?

Originally posted by King Castle
hmm.. you are correct, i guess. but that doesnt apply to all the new gods but just him.

also Orion killed his father the 1st time which the started his resurrection the second time around and his fall that didnt occur the 1st time in his original body..

not sure on the issue but the story of the forgotten lantern and the pact made by the guardians and Darksied of non interference showed that apokolypse was on the fridges of known space in a dead sector which was reached by the monitors and then later by an army of guardians when they declared war on DS.

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Originally posted by King Castle
not sure on the issue but the story of the forgotten lantern and the pact made by the guardians and Darksied of non interference showed that apokolypse was on the fridges of known space in a dead sector which was reached by the monitors and then later by an army of guardians when they declared war on DS.

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Originally posted by Omega Vision
Well it's entirely possible that a GL Ring could mimic the Boom Tube effect. 😛

they reached DS world by simply expanding their sector control by monitors simply flying out and exploring space and landing on inhabited planets, they came upon. 😉

Originally posted by King Castle
they all flew there and DS world was showed on a map of the universe. 😐

they reached DS world by simply expanding their sector control by monitors simply flying out and exploring space and landing on inhabited planets, they came upon. 😉

The Raker event is an outlier.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
There are lots of cases where the Fourth World is accessible the old fashioned way, but often times upon arrival the mainstream DC characters find that they appear like mites at best and microbes at worst when compared to the New Gods.

The Raker event is an outlier.

i am not convinced that the old depiction is the current established version.

and the DS fall crap was done b/c mr. miracle died whcih some how empowered DS even more so since the concept of freedom had something to do with it. 😛

Does anyone know if lightray lifted half of celestial city with just his physical strength?

I also need the scans of him resisting a black hole with superman and destroying large meteors with punches.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Well it's entirely possible that a GL Ring could mimic the Boom Tube effect. 😛

If they can move between positive and anti-matter universes at will, i don't see why not...

Originally posted by King Castle

sadly that hasnt bn used in a few retcons since then since, supes can fly to the new gods dimension that now inhabits the regular DCU at the edge of the universe.

I think you'll find you're wrong there .... Grant Morison has mafe numerous references to the New Gods being from from a higher Dimension of Reality; both in Final Crisis, Interviews and in recent issues of Batman.

When it comes to decding what is cannon/non cannon, I'm sure you will agree that the interpretation of the most recent, and arguably biggest writer of a New God storyline, would have some authority?

So yes Superman may have been able to fly there by normal means in some previous issue, but I thinks its safe to say this has been re-ocnned. As some one mentioned previously, the entire Final Crisis storyline pre-supposes it.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Well it's entirely possible that a GL Ring could mimic the Boom Tube effect. 😛

Seeing as the Miracle Machine, that controlled the entire emotional spectrum, and quote "made the G.L. ring look like Slide show projector", was a a cargo cult mother box, I seriously doubt it.

Originally posted by King Castle
you buy the retro retcon beating of DS at the hands of DD as Desaad being more then he is known for, due that showing who was originally written for DS?

Leave alone the retcons he was shown transforming on panel in one story.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I never liked the Desaad retcon, it really makes little sense. Even the most embarrassing moments where Desaad is impersonating DS have him well within the Herald Tier. So why then does he generally get physically manhandled by guys like Granny Goodness or Kalibak if he can amp himself to DS-Lite (pun intended 😮 ) levels?

I thought they were primarily DS avatars not Desaad impersonations?

But the morphing I was talking about took place in DC villains IIRC, where DS had left Apokolips and Desaad (on panel) morphs his body to resemble DS to stop a riot from some Hunger Dogs.

Originally posted by King Castle
there is another scan where superman flew to new genesis and was same size as the residents flying around the various sites.

i am not convinced that the old depiction is the current established version.

and the DS fall crap was done b/c mr. miracle died whcih some how empowered DS even more so since the concept of freedom had something to do with it. 😛

I don't think the Superman issue was recent, if it exists at all 😛. In a relatively recent story Supergirl went to Apokolips without a Boomtube and she was the size of an insect in comparison to the New Gods.

I have another question. Are New Gods self sustained entities ( dont have need for drink ,eat, breath)?

Originally posted by NotSoBad
I have another question. Are New Gods self sustained entities ( dont have need for drink ,eat, breath)?

They're the physical manifestation of Ideas - So I doubt it.
Do Ideas need eat/breathe ?

Unless "physical manifestation" means massive restriction ?

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
They're the physical manifestation of Ideas - So I doubt it.
Do Ideas need eat/breathe ?

Unless "physical manifestation" means massive restriction ?

I mean they physical forms but still thanks for answer 🙂

Finally I confirmed that lightray lifted half of celestial city with his physical strength. That should AT LEAST put him in the million ton lifting strength.

mmmm seeing some scans mister miracle has demostrated superhuman strength when he fighted with big barda and superman also when he had his god powers and finally MM used the equation anti life figting with orion and supermann being so strong