Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
the living tribunal is the most powerful mystic of all in the arc with slorith they summoned the vishanti as the most powerful magic force in the multiverse then the vishanti summoned the tribunal as the most powerful then the tribunal acknowledge them
since when was eternity mystical? he is cosmic power dr strange doesnt always know what he is talking about
The fact that Eternity is above Shuma Gorath should be self evident. Dr. Strange's opinion aside, let's just look at how the two dealt with Strange while fighting him; Shuma actually fought Strange, magic against magic, and ultimately lost. In contrast, Eternity just decided that Strange wouldn't have his powers anymore and turned them off. Strange is a threat to Shuma, to Eternity Strange is literally nothing... he brushed Strange off like a fly.
Also, I hope they aren't going to include Lord Chaos in some kind of "Chaos vs. Order" idea, because that's never been the way the pair has been portrayed. Whenever one became bigger than the other, they both considered that a really, really bad thing. Chaos and Order are enemies of Death, not enemies of each other.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Dr. Strange knows what he is talking about way more than you do. Eternity is more a mystical being than LT is, LT was shown using spells like, once or twice.The fact that Eternity is above Shuma Gorath should be self evident. Dr. Strange's opinion aside, let's just look at how the two dealt with Strange while fighting him; Shuma actually fought Strange, magic against magic, and ultimately lost. In contrast, Eternity just decided that Strange wouldn't have his powers anymore and turned them off. Strange is a threat to Shuma, to Eternity Strange is literally nothing... he brushed Strange off like a fly.
Just wanted to say that if Eternity is stronger than Shuma why didn't his analogues in the other universes and dimensions take him out when Shuma invaded those universes.
I never really got why some universes get wiped and LT and the abstracts of those universes never step in but when it's 616 or similar as soon as a universe ending threat comes in the jump on that like white on rice. I mean one universe did get collapsed by a version of Jaspers and the universe was only destroyed when the stability of the multiverse was threatened by Jim's madness.
Shuma in conquering other universes and dimensions must have come across the dimensions analogues for the abstarcts so I don't really think he is weaker than eternity. If anything him having quite a few universes and dimensions under his belt would make him a fair amount stronger than Eternity. I still call Strange beating Shuma jobbing like crazy.
Originally posted by Uriel005
Just wanted to say that if Eternity is stronger than Shuma why didn't his analogues in the other universes and dimensions take him out when Shuma invaded those universes.I never really got why some universes get wiped and LT and the abstracts of those universes never step in but when it's 616 or similar as soon as a universe ending threat comes in the jump on that like white on rice. I mean one universe did get collapsed by a version of Jaspers and the universe was only destroyed when the stability of the multiverse was threatened by Jim's madness.
Shuma in conquering other universes and dimensions must have come across the dimensions analogues for the abstarcts so I don't really think he is weaker than eternity. If anything him having quite a few universes and dimensions under his belt would make him a fair amount stronger than Eternity. I still call Strange beating Shuma jobbing like crazy.
Not all dimensions have Eternity, anyway. Only divergent/alternate universes of 616 feature the abstracts we all know. Dimensions that exist within timelines (for instance, each "what if" will have it's own Dormammu, despite him owning many dimensions), will all be tied to one single abstract set, so in this aspect, we need to distinguish that although each dimension may be a universe, it is not an "earth", i.e. earth-616, earth-4082, etc.
I agree, it is tricky to judge what exactly causes an abstract to intervene. There are lots of times where they probably should have, however writers just don't like to use them. I mean, if you're writing "X-Men", you're going to want the X-Men to save the universe, not the Living Tribunal or Eternity. Dr. Strange can get away with it a bit more because abstracts are more like established characters there, and less like deus ex machinas.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
KK, do you know if every Eternity from other universes are as strong as the 616 Eternity?
As for pure strength, I don't remember there ever being a statement that if two eternities were to fight, 616 would win, even among writers that consider the 616 version more important. So my instinct is to assume beating one means you can beat another, generally.
Originally posted by King Kandyyou dont know what you are talking about.
Dr. Strange knows what he is talking about way more than you do. Eternity is more a mystical being than LT is, LT was shown using spells like, once or twice.The fact that Eternity is above Shuma Gorath should be self evident. Dr. Strange's opinion aside, let's just look at how the two dealt with Strange while fighting him; Shuma actually fought Strange, magic against magic, and ultimately lost. In contrast, Eternity just decided that Strange wouldn't have his powers anymore and turned them off. Strange is a threat to Shuma, to Eternity Strange is literally nothing... he brushed Strange off like a fly.
dr strange was the same guy who didnt think chaos magic even existed
Originally posted by King Kandynot directly, when krovac rules the universe chaos was seen dwarfing order in size and they was helpless to act
Also, I hope they aren't going to include Lord Chaos in some kind of "Chaos vs. Order" idea, because that's never been the way the pair has been portrayed. Whenever one became bigger than the other, they both considered that a really, really bad thing. Chaos and Order are enemies of Death, not enemies of each other.
Originally posted by the Darkonethis. and i want to mention sisneg just before becoming omnipotent didnt want to engage shuma
No he's not, Zom is above. Eternity need help and still it wan't enough, until LT showed up and ended it.