Originally posted by jinzinYou're right but I still wonder why Spider-man gets hit so much in h2h. If someone said to me " would you like the power to dodge bullets or punches" I'd say bullets cause if I can dodge things that move really really fast then I can dodge things that are inherently slower. Like if I can outrun the fastest motorcycle why would people suggest that a car will beat me?
Well you can quote your own nonsense all you like, it doesn't make you any less wrong.You CAN redirect your punch in mid-attack. Again, it's called leading a target and anyone with even a passing familiarity in fighting and sparring will pick up on this.
That's the difference between a punch and a bullet... Bullets run a straight line from the barrel of the gun to the point of impact. Yeah, there might be a slight disconnect given some outside circumstances but it's not the same as a punch which can literally follow the target once it's left it's "chamber".
And... as Zed already stated, Spiderman's reactions to his SS warning are better the more progressive the threat.
Punisher's shot Spiderman, and Spiderman's been shot a few times... Sure, it shows, Punisher's skill accredited by ONE writer, or Spiderman's fallibility by another...
But the TYPICAL representation of Parker's abilities have him not getting shot... by bullets, things that are faster than bullets, like lazers.... shot from robotics using automatic targeting systems and motion detection. Even analytical computers learning his abilities and trying to pinpoint his next move...
AND... TYPICALLY he's dodging this kind of crap in spades.. dozens of bullets if not hundreds..... if not thousands!
The bottem line is that as mentioned before... You can't use the variable of one argument to support another. Me, Sam and everyone else here understands the principle of what you're talking about in concerns to Flash etc.... It's not that we "don't get your point", it's that your point is skewed because the speed at which both characters move is not the issue.... The level of their ability to do a certain thing, and the amount of times it's typically presented at said level, IS.
You can make an argument for Spiderman getting punched in the face by gifted/fast/crafty foes because that's typically how he's demonstrated in his abilities...
What you can't do is make an argument that he can be shot by a skilled marksman because it's happened half a dozen times in a 60 year long career through thousands and thousands of publications... Not when he's proved the opposite hundreds and hundreds of times over including during situations where he doesn't know he's being shot at until it happens, dodging bullets after they've been fired on his center mass, or dodging machine gun fire in a room from 500 members of Hydra.It doesn't stack up and you know it.
Originally posted by The MISTERNature of his spider sense. The bigger the threat is the better he reacts to it. A bullet might hit him so his body reacts at max speed, a punch wont do any serious damage, so he might get hit. Also CIS. When he gets pissed or realy puts his mind to it, he rarely gets hit.
You're right but I still wonder why Spider-man gets hit so much in h2h. If someone said to me " would you like the power to dodge bullets or punches" I'd say bullets cause if I can dodge things that move really really fast then I can dodge things that are inherently slower. Like if I can outrun the fastest motorcycle why would people suggest that a car will beat me?
Originally posted by SamZEDSpider-man's CIS makes it hard to argue for him sometimes but he's powerful when he's not acting retarded and weaker than he really is.
Nature of his spider sense. The bigger the threat is the better he reacts to it. A bullet might hit him so his body reacts at max speed, a punch wont do any serious damage, so he might get hit. Also CIS. When he gets pissed or realy puts his mind to it, he rarely gets hit.
Originally posted by SamZED
Nature of his spider sense. The bigger the threat is the better he reacts to it. A bullet might hit him so his body reacts at max speed, a punch wont do any serious damage, so he might get hit.
You didn't prove that you assumed that. Punches still hurt alot and can KO him hes not a masochist, Wolverine is.
Originally posted by SamZED
Also CIS. When he gets pissed or realy puts his mind to it, he rarely gets hit.
That could apply to everyone doesn't mean he can do that under normal circumstances.
Originally posted by Trackz
many of the abilities you listed aren't demonstrated by the average vampire.
Originally posted by Deadline
Which clearly shows you are not listening. I've said this many times now HF is standard, 90% of that list isn't. Your in no position to criticise our arguments when you don't make the effort to comprehend our arguments. Even when you do agree you still try to be negative.There is no debate in this thread just argumentation.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Not all vamps have those abilities. He's got the basics ones like strength, healing, speed, senses, etc.
I don't know about Deadline and snoop, but I know trackz is aware that many vampires in the pages of Tomb of Dracula, other than Dracula himself displayed many of those abilities, particularly flight, shape shifting (into bats and mist), and hypnoses. Even freshly turned vampires.
Originally posted by srankmissingninVampires have gotten a makeover since then, marvel is consciously making them more concrete. you won't find a vampire other than dracula demonstrating those abstract abilities in the last 5-8 years.
I don't know about Deadline and snoop, but I know trackz is aware that many vampires in the pages of Tomb of Dracula, other than Dracula himself displayed many of those abilities, particularly flight, shape shifting (into bats and mist), and hypnoses. Even freshly turned vampires.
Originally posted by srankmissingninthey said not the AVERAGE vampire meaning most vampires not ALL 🤨
I don't know about Deadline and snoop, but I know trackz is aware that many vampires in the pages of Tomb of Dracula, other than Dracula himself displayed many of those abilities, particularly flight, shape shifting (into bats and mist), and hypnoses. Even freshly turned vampires.
I can post significantly more examples of random vampires shape shifting / flying / compelling / ect ect ect, then there are examples of "average" vampires healing on panel. The majority of vampire healing feats belong to Dracula... and most of them are because - unlike typical vampires - he is virtually unkillable. He regenerated from a bare skeleton in seconds after a stake was removed from his ribcage.
there are variations races/sects of vampires in marvel.
originally back in the day 60 to 80's even early 90's they were the western eruopean kind.
the Dracula offspring if you will with powers that most now consider to be exotic but was standard to vampires.
now the modern vamps that some short term readers consider standard are nothing more then goober vamps of different class/species. then the original ones.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire_%28Marvel_Comics%29
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
LMAO fodder means a weak enemies.and vampire with those abilities aren't exempt from being weak...and freshly turned by vampires with those abilities would result in...
Fodder means enemies that they are expendable and exist only die in large numbers. Vampires with out names are fodder. They are mobsters, they are ninja, they are soldiers, they are terrorists. In short they are no body.
Originally posted by King Castle
there are variations races/sects of vampires in marvel.originally back in the day 60 to 80's even early 90's they were the western eruopean kind.
the Dracula offspring if you will with powers that most now consider to be exotic but was standard to vampires.
now the modern vamps that some short term readers consider standard are nothing more then goober vamps of different class/species. then the original ones.
😉 😛
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire_%28Marvel_Comics%29
Correct. The majority of vampire fodder are just Vampire Thrall's which is a lower class of vampires with far weaker powerset, and in some cases not even considered true vampires.