Originally posted by Lord_Talronwhat are the team going to do, ram each other by accident and start fighting each other?
I don't see how creed beats the lizard w.o adamantium. However the obvious lack of teamwork that I foRsee might be pretty damning
why would Sabretooth need adamantium to beat lizard? he has the strength and claw power to pierce Lizard.
it's bn sufficient to tear into steel, techno organic metal, Namor Clone skin and the Wendigo.
i havent forgotten anything about lizard.
also sabretooth opponents have bn by far more impressive then lizards.
think of how hard wendigo's skin or Archangels wings have to be compared to lizard. plus Wendigo's Healing factor and the namor super clones. how sharp are wendigo's claws are as well.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=486007&pagenumber=32
Originally posted by 753
Still got pawned lef and right by logan in almost every subsequent appearance. After the wepaon x storyline, they pretty much ignored how much stronger he was supposed to have become and restored status quo.
no it dident thats just more bullshit you came up with.
i didnt feel like acknowledging his comment. otherwise i would have pointed at the sinister superclones who had superhuman speed along with their durability, strength, healing, optic blast and the super spestnaz admantium resistant skin and hyper/superhuman reflexes.
its just easier not to let it get to you...
Originally posted by 753
Still got pawned lef and right by logan in almost every subsequent appearance. After the wepaon x storyline, they pretty much ignored how much stronger he was supposed to have become and restored status quo.
This is EXACTLY what I mean by readers intentionally misrepresenting facts. Actually, this is more of an out-right lie. Snoops claim that Logan needed help to fight the Wendigo is more of a misinterpretation.
Anyway, Logan was stomped by Creed during Rucka's run. Sabes had lost his adamantium at that point. Also, it took everything Logan had just to keep up with Creed the last time they fought in the Loeb run...the one where Logan decapitates Creed with the Marumasa. So, in no way shape or form does what you have stated here bear any truth.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Last time I recall Logan fighting a Wendigo he needed some help.
Do you recall correctly? Wolverine was holding his own in a three-way battle involving himself, Wendigo and Mauvis - they were tied and until Mauvis killed Wendigo - ate its heart and then had essentially the power of himself and the Wendigo combined. So Wolverine was essentially fighting a two-on one in that fight.
Originally posted by Starscream Mits bn repeatedly stated on panels by writer narration, admitted by characters like wolverine, sabretooth, kitty pride and other X-men.
scans or issue #?
it hasnt always bn so but after Sabes repeated upgrades to always be better then wolverine, Sabretooth is legitimately above him now, enough that he flaunts it to logan every chance he gets.
check the respect threads for scans. 😐
Anyway, considering how easily Wolverine powned Vermin and Bloodscream simultaneously - and in conjunction with how easily Wolverine beat the Lizard and even a super giagantic Lizard - Sabes stomps this pretty easily. Here's how the fight goes..
Exactly 3 seconds into the fight - Creed is laughing that these two are retarded enough to engage him in h2h. Vermin starts going on about how he can control rats and how it's going to give them an advantage somehow, and before he can finish his sentence Creed Grabs his skull and crushes it with one hand..he's too busy grinning and licking the brains and blood up while the Lizard manages to pop him with his tail.
Sabretooth: Not bad, bub...smack me with yer tail while my back is turned....
Lizard: hsssssss
Lizard tries to swipe again...Creed jumps on him before this can happen and proceeds to make himself some gator boots. The whole process takes 2 minutes...most of that time is spent actually skinning the Lizard.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWwahtever who was pawning who regularly pre turbo upgrade?
Actually it was stated by the impartial narrative that even Pre-Turbo Creed was faster than Logan 😗
Sabe was a joke back then, only reason he stood a chance is b/c logan would go all savage style with him rather then just out right pawn him using skills. 🪩
and guess what he beat sabe reguarly.
Originally posted by King Castle
its bn repeatedly stated on panels by writer narration, admitted by characters like wolverine, sabretooth, kitty pride and other X-men.it hasnt always bn so but after Sabes repeated upgrades to always be better then wolverine, Sabretooth is legitimately above him now, enough that he flaunts it to logan every chance he gets.
check the respect threads for scans. 😐
Basically what happens...Wolverine finally beats Sabretooth by a hair or two (or in one case knocks him off a cliff), Sabretooth receives subsequent upgrades via Weapon-X or Apocalypse or something. He's always one step ahead of Wolverine. The thing is, Wolverine never gets upgraded in the same way - he just becomes a better and more experienced fighter overtime. The only reason he's even able to keep up with Creed is due to sheer determination and slightly better h2h.
Originally posted by The Real Wolviebro, preaching to the wrong person. i know the entire history of the two. i am an old dog have comics of both them..
Basically what happens...Wolverine finally beats Sabretooth by a hair or two (or in one case knocks him off a cliff), Sabretooth receives subsequent upgrades via Weapon-X or Apocalypse or something. He's always one step ahead of Wolverine. The thing is, Wolverine never gets upgraded in the same way - he just becomes a better and more experienced fighter overtime. The only reason he's even able to keep up with Creed is due to sheer determination and slightly better h2h.
Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
This is EXACTLY what I mean by readers intentionally misrepresenting facts. Actually, this is more of an out-right lie. Snoops claim that Logan needed help to fight the Wendigo is more of a misinterpretation.Anyway, Logan was stomped by Creed during Rucka's run. Sabes had lost his adamantium at that point. Also, it took everything Logan had just to keep up with Creed the last time they fought in the Loeb run...the one where Logan decapitates Creed with the Marumasa. So, in no way shape or form does what you have stated here bear any truth.
LULZ read the ****ing comics. Sabertooth was humiliated by wolverine throughout his career dozens of times, including the time they both fought without adamantium over the post of Horseman of Death before apocalypse and ST lost as usual.
The Weapon X amp was completely ignored after that storyline, they never even mentioned it again. ST was never protrayed as a clear superior to Wolverine in combat in that fashion again. Stories repeatedly state their fights just go on forever as they slash each other to no end. It took everything logan had? He felt sorry for ST as he cut his head off in a clean swipe, commenting on how there was nothing left of ST by that point.
ST may have better stats, but he's never been clearly superior to wolverine in actual combat - the outcome of their fights shows this as he spent most of his carreer having his ass handed to him by logan.
Originally posted by The Real WolvieThe fact that ST needs upgrades at all shows how he's not cleraly better than wolverine. And he keeps losing to him.
Basically what happens...Wolverine finally beats Sabretooth by a hair or two (or in one case knocks him off a cliff), Sabretooth receives subsequent upgrades via Weapon-X or Apocalypse or something. He's always one step ahead of Wolverine. The thing is, Wolverine never gets upgraded in the same way - he just becomes a better and more experienced fighter overtime. The only reason he's even able to keep up with Creed is due to sheer determination and slightly better h2h.
the win regard that logan once held on sabe has changed drastically, bub.
being able to beat a character a minority of times against overall repeated battles doesnt make logan superior. the stories usually depict logan as the underdog against sabe.
and logan slicing Sabe's head off once Sabe went Feral with a magic sword doesnt show any superiority that logan may have over Sabe. might as well show logan Mind wiped into a gibbering monkey boy and get his @$$ handed to him by captain america and claim it as a consistent portrayal of logan fighting skill.