Originally posted by King Castle
wahtever who was pawning who regularly pre turbo upgrade?Sabe was a joke back then, only reason he stood a chance is b/c logan would go all savage style with him rather then just out right pawn him using skills. 🪩
and guess what he beat sabe reguarly.
No. The reason why he "stood a chance" was his speed. And no, he wasn't a joke, far from it. He had some low showings, sure, but that's because the character was still in development.
Birthday. Ass. Whoopings. 😗
Originally posted by King CastleI do believe Logan's win/loss rate to ST still puts him above. He's sometimes shown as the underdog cause ST is usually in the attacking end, seeking him out and heroes often lose the first round just to get back up and win the second one. It adds drama to the story.
the win regard that logan once held on sabe has changed drastically, bub.being able to beat a character a minority of times against overall repeated battles doesnt make logan superior. the stories usually depict logan as the underdog against sabe.
and logan slicing Sabe's head off once Sabe went Feral with a magic sword doesnt show any superiority that logan may have over Sabe. might as well show logan Mind wiped into a gibbering monkey boy and get his @$$ handed to him by captain america and claim it as a consistent portrayal of logan fighting skill.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWpfff... amnesiatic logan with no sense of himself or fully trained or skilled..
No. The reason why he "stood a chance" was his speed. And no, he wasn't a joke, far from it. He had some low showings, sure, but that's because the character was still in development.Birthday. Ass. Whoopings. 😗
80's - late 90's Logan was handing him his @$$ regularly in just about every confrontation.
even with the current Sabe logan was still pulling the underdog win.
writers had to pat sabes' win record with retro written wins with retcons and explored past history.
without them logan would still have the most wins on column durverine
now you best stop flappin them gums and pawn the key board, less some one stops them for ya and break them fingers, bub.logan
Originally posted by 753
I do believe Logan's win/loss rate to ST still puts him above. He's sometimes shown as the underdog cause ST is usually in the attacking end, seeking him out and heroes often lose the first round just to get back up and win the second one. It adds drama to the story.
Originally posted by 753
The fact that ST needs upgrades at all shows how he's not cleraly better than wolverine. And he keeps losing to him.
You might want to read the Sabretooth respect thread. In the Wolverine comics, Sabes has the easy majority of victories. Wolverine has soundly beaten Creed like....maybe twice including his victory to become the Angel of Death. The point is - every time Logan manages a clear victory - Creed gets more upgrades. In the Wolverine series - he has yet to beat Creed since the late 90's. I mean, we are talking when WOLVERINE got his adamantium back. We are talking 300 K being FAST download speed okay....Sabes has had Logan's number ever since. At least in his own series...
If you wish to provide evidence from another comic to the contrary, feel free.
Originally posted by 753
LULZ read the ****ing comics. Sabertooth was humiliated by wolverine throughout his career dozens of times, [b]including the time they both fought without adamantium over the post of Horseman of Death before apocalypse and ST lost as usual.The Weapon X amp was completely ignored after that storyline, they never even mentioned it again. ST was never protrayed as a clear superior to Wolverine in combat in that fashion again. Stories repeatedly state their fights just go on forever as they slash each other to no end. It took everything logan had? He felt sorry for ST as he cut his head off in a clean swipe, commenting on how there was nothing left of ST by that point.
ST may have better stats, but he's never been clearly superior to wolverine in actual combat - the outcome of their fights shows this as he spent most of his carreer having his ass handed to him by logan. [/B]
And as you yourself stated....the last time Creed was "humiliated" by Wolverine, it was still the ****ing 90's. in the 80's, Creed was always portrayed by Claremont as being slightly superior than Logan - it took Wolverine everything he had just to barely win a long battle. Whereas Creed's victories have been STOMPS. He has stomped Logan into the ground....lost a close battle, got upgraded and then stomped Logan again - and he has yet to lose since his last upgrade by Weapon X - which not only gave him adamantium but gave him superior street and strength by Logan's own admission. In fact, he should be even faster now considering that adamantium would slow him down - he should still have the speed and strength upgrade from Weapon-x. It would certainly appear that way given how easily he kicked the shit out of Logan during Rucka's run. He also looked superior in their most recent fight...the one the lasted five issues. By the time Logan got their with his stupid magical sword, Creed had been already reduced to a shadow of his former self. The whole execution of Creed in this manner was a sad joke on the part of the writer - one that didn't even know the history of either character - I mean he didn't even know that the whole cabin incident was just a memory implant by Weapon X. Epic ****ing fail on his part.
Current Lizard has Connors mind which apparently makes him less of a threat, he struggled with Scorpion (who tbf was also upgraded several times over). Still this form of Lizard has great HF, is insanely fast and agile to the point it was running circles around Spider-man (CIS influenced but still). Vermin is a meh addition to the team, hasn't done anything impressive in years. Spider-man beats him off-pannel these days.
Maybe he did, tbh don't remember him outright saying that. But it looked like it anyway. To be fair to Pete he was trying to protect people and fight at the same time, plus there was the moral conflict, there was a risk of killing Lizard with that cure. Still, Lizard seemed faster than him in that fight.