Originally posted by King Kandy
Draft 5: Magneto
'bout time. Not saying he'll be the best pick when it's all said and done, but for this level it's like Surfer dropping to round 2 in a HH tourney.
And as it pertains to the Vulcan/Magneto debate, imo he's WAY less useful in a tourney setting than Mags is, overall levels be damned.
Draft Six: Iron Man
Originally posted by Digi
'bout time. Not saying he'll be the best pick when it's all said and done, but for this level it's like Surfer dropping to round 2 in a HH tourney.And as it pertains to the Vulcan/Magneto debate, imo he's WAY less useful in a tourney setting than Mags is, overall levels be damned.
That may be right, Magneto has more showings and thus, more versatility. I was arguing strictly from a tier-placing point of view.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Alright, alright. I know if you think so, it's probably going to be at least sensible.
Anyway here are some potential problems I have with Vulcan(I say potential because I'm no expert on the guy so some of these may be misconseptions based on "forum talk", in which case I'll promptly drop them).
1. He beat Warlock at his own game(quantum energy manipulation I mean). And make no mistake, a non mystic being able to manipute exotic magical energy as easily as non magical energy is damn impressive, especially when his control is great enough to usurp power from someone like Warlock.
2. He was fighting evenly with Black Bolt until BB yelled. I mean Black Bolt has done well against guys like the Hulk and Thor WITHOUT yelling, so the fact that he finally pulled that card really says something for Vulcan. And since Vulcan specifically says that BB can't kill him because of his ability to generate, he might actually violate the rules in place about immortals and such. Think about it, BB's whispers have put down Hulk and Gladiator for longer than his scream put down Vulcan.
Now for those mentioning Magneto, I have no doubt that Mag's far greater number of appearances have yielded him better quantifiable feats than Vulcan managed to accumulate, but the thing is that because of all those appearances we have a truckload of low end showings from throughout his career to counter his high end feats and keep him at low herald. Vulcan on the other hand was continuously improving and becoming more impressive right up until the end and alot of his "low showings" are actually just instances of him being inexperienced rather than showings that demonstrate the limits to his powers. He may have been a "low herald" level character at some point, but by the time of his death he was on the level of guys like Warlock and Black Bolt(both of whom I feel are above "Low Herald"😉.
We've seen characters without established limitations like Vulcan drafted in lots of tourneys, and it's almost always regreted later on. Remember how regrettful batdude was that he allowed Black Alice and the Keeper on the basis that they hadn't done anything to specifically place them above Thanos? How about when there was some confrontation between Digi and Evan about the Doctor(not that it was the primary source of the confrontation though)? If nothing else I think Vulcan should fall into the category of Dr Doom, too close to risk it. Hell even id said that he falls into the grey line between low and mid herald if I'm not mistaken.
While I'm thinking about it, which version of Starhawk is being drafted?
Originally posted by darthgoober
While I'm thinking about it, which version of Starhawk is being drafted?
What about Starhawk do you find contensious? He and the guardians of the galaxy have gotten beaten pretty handly by Surfer on occasion.
minus the speed, I don't see how he is much above other draft choices thus far?
I didn't know about that Vulcan vs Warlock thing, when did that happen?
Originally posted by inimalist
What about Starhawk do you find contensious? He and the guardians of the galaxy have gotten beaten pretty handly by Surfer on occasion.minus the speed, I don't see how he is much above other draft choices thus far?
I didn't know about that Vulcan vs Warlock thing, when did that happen?
I can't remember the issue number for the Warlock/Vulcan fight, but it's posted in Vulcan's respect thread.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Depends, I don't really have a problem with the guy Starhawk unless they've amped him since they revived the GoG, but from what I understand his wife was a bit more powerful than him so she probably wouldn't qualify for this.I can't remember the issue number for the Warlock/Vulcan fight, but it's posted in Vulcan's respect thread.
I would say regular Starhawk is stronger than regular Aleta. Aleta as Starhawk is another beast entirely though.
Originally posted by Bentley
I would say regular Starhawk is stronger than regular Aleta. Aleta as Starhawk is another beast entirely though.
Originally posted by Bentley
Guardians of the Galaxy v2 14.Starhawk fought a more experienced alternate Surfer , if anything, that's hard to gauge compared to regular versions of those characters.
iirc, Surfer Annual 4, Starhawk goes a few panels with Surfer solo (by which I mean, surfer blasts him pretty good and Starhawk doesn't die), but eventually Surfer beats him and the entire Guardians squad
afaik, Starhawk has never been as powerful as surfer... again, I'm new at this though
no, totally, I'm just talking about what I've seen. At this point, I'd almost assume you have a better background knowledge of the character.
I'd just point out though, people like Magneto have feats with their shields or energy manip that would appear to put them over the limit. Would Starhawk take Surfer a majority out of 10?
Originally posted by King Kandy
Draft Six: Iron Man
One would assume that the drafter will need to specify which armor is being used. I'd go with Extremis if it were me (I say this in case it's a newcomer who may be overwhelmed at the choices and needs a direction), because he's a sneaky pick and I'd like to see him used well...generally considered a tier below LH, but with enough tools to be useful at this level.