most of the guys in the ring nowadays and b4 dont have the constitution/stamina to undergo full combat training. i see most of them getting kicked out on a mountain spartan ridge run falling out..
to me they are P#$$ie$... all muscle/size no real heart, durability or stamina, speed...
i would love to see them randomly thrown in and survive 2 weeks of intensive MCmap Training with an @$$hole instructor.
Originally posted by King Castle
most of the guys in the ring nowadays and b4 dont have the constitution/stamina to undergo full combat training. i see most of them getting kicked out on a mountain spartan ridge run falling out..to me they are P#$$ie$... all muscle/size no real heart, durability or stamina, speed...
i would love to see them randomly thrown in and survive 2 weeks of intensive MCmap Training with an @$$hole instructor.
What evidence do you have to substantiate that claim?
what evidence to you have to say otherwise?
i taken into account the lack of acclimation which would not be granted... heats, clothing, combat gear, boots.. about 3 to 5 miles running at a steady incline. plus, the added weight that they put on for their training would effect them adversely in the situation due to impact on the knees and ankles.
plus, i seen the muscle bound idiot marines fail consistently due to their stupid MMA training mostly due to added weight hell some are mostly muscle that they are unable to cross a pool in gear.
its just different training styles we trained overall not one specific attribute of size and muscle.
also there is a certain unspoken standard of whic marines can do mcmap from rank, belt colr to fitness and on top of that there a large drop off due to set standards.
most marines train to prep themselves up so as not to get kicked from training prior to voluntaring.
Originally posted by King Castle
what evidence to you have to say otherwise?i taken into account the lack of acclimation which would not be granted... heats, clothing, combat gear, boots.. about 3 to 5 miles running at a steady incline. plus, the added weight that they put on for their training would effect them adversely in the situation due to impact on the knees and ankles.
plus, i seen the muscle bound idiots fail consistently due to their stupid MMA training mostly due to added weight hell some are mostly muscle that they are unable to cross a pool in gear.
its just different training styles we trained overall not one specific attribute of size and muscle.
So but you don't know if successful, professional MMA fighters actually would be bad at the Marine training?
Originally posted by King Castle
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Looked pretty fun. If it wasn't for the whole "war" thing i might have signed up for the army.
My brother is a captain, he was really dissapointed when i said i didn't want to.
Originally posted by Bardock42i dont see them having the endurance in their initial training, they would have to start them slow with white belt training(Tan).. although i do see them breaking some boot marines by accident during grappling sessions but that is b/c one is not trying to kill or maim or even knows how while the MMA might think he needs to try a lot harder.
So but you don't know if successful, professional MMA fighters actually would be bad at the Marine training?
like i said the support combat endurance training is where they would suffer adversely, although they would beat some boot marines. but, if you put a MMA in a green and black belt instructor program i see them get kicked out the 1st 3 to 5 days due to not being overall fit..
we have standards and being strong and big is not enough.. you gotta have will/heart, endurance, speed, text book knowledge/names of moves and perform them to your instructors satisfactions after bring run to the dirt and having to fight multiple opponents and an obstacle course some of it requiring training from other military programs that would not be taught to you in mcmap.
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having too much muscle density can be bad, i know 1st hand it sucked trying to tread water and swim when i was nothing but muscle and almost no fat and i was trained to swim and tread yrs prior b4 i started to muscle up and trim down.
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Originally posted by long pig
Why would you want to waste ten years getting a black belt in such a weak ass overrated martial art? If you want a truely devestating grappling system, learn to wrestle. American wrestling is superior to every grappling system there is. In fact, it's the greatest H2h Martial Art ever created. Only greek-roman wrestling can hold a candle to it. A good wrestler with a couple weeks of bjj will destroy a lifetime bjj black belt 100% of the time. Lay and pray passive bullshit.
What happened when Chael Sonnen (amazing wrestler) went up against Demian Maia (amazing BJJ practitioner)? Sonnen was taken down and submitted promptly. Or when a juiced up Chael Sonnen fought a broken ribbed Anderson Silva? Sure Sonnen was winning, but even though he was on steroids and Silva's ribs were broken going into the fight, Sonnen was STILL submitted.
I don't see where you get that wrestling>bjj.
IMO, a combination of the 2 is the best way to go in MMA. But also IMO, a top level BJJ guy beats a top wrestler 8/10 times.
And this is sort of off topic, but I also believe that as far as striking goes in MMA, the two best styles to train in are Boxing and Muay Thai (a combination of the two).
Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in there. I'm done now.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I choked my chicken earlier.
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