(shadowland)Daredevil vs Wolverine(demon)

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Originally posted by SasuOna
Because Wolverine is fast enough to keep up with Daredevil before this? Even while he just got a huge boost in strength and speed while Logan is just on fire........hmmm I wonder who's outclassed now
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are you serious? Wolverine has always bn faster per his power. he is superhuman across the board superior speed strength, fighting skill due to his training and mutation. plus if you wanna put PIS aside normal DD should get bone broken from wolverine lvl punches since that is what is suppose to happen when it comes to human durability vs his adamanium powered hits.. DD powerless shouldnt and has never bn a serious thread his ability to stay alive in comics is nothing but PIS.

anyways...Demon wolverine has got this and current DD hasnt displayed any power that should legitimately put logan down. Normal logan would win as well.

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Originally posted by King Castle
Normal logan would win as well.

Wouldn't go that far. The Beast is more powerful than Ghost Rider and most likely will be defeated with a plot device, namely the Sapphire Crescent.

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wouldn't go that far. The Beast is more powerful than Ghost Rider and most likely will be defeated with a plot device, namely the Sapphire Crescent.
a say a decapitation swipe would do it. being more powerful doesnt give you the same resistance to other forms of attack that another character might have.

DD didnt show anything logan hasnt fought regularly and overcome b4

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Originally posted by King Castle
a say a decapitation swipe would do it. being more powerful doesnt give you the same resistance to other forms of attack that another character might have.

DD didnt show anything logan hasnt fought regularly and overcome b4

Probably yes. But he would have to connect first. World War Daredevil is vastly more skilled than before the possession, as noted by Shang and Rand.

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but, Rand and shang werent expecting anything that impressive from DD so they were caught with their pants down same for logan who stabbed him and just stared instead of decapitating him like he would any other mook.

DD's fight is not indicative of anyone's standard abilities or full combat potential. it was all pis wanking.

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I'm not impressed with what I've seen so far. It all seems like a bunch of CIS to me. I don't know how powerful Demon Daredevil a.k.a. DDD will get, but from what I have seen so far it's nothing that normal Wolverine couldn't handle. Same goes for Iron Fist, and Spidey.

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What's with all the butthurt about Shadowland Daredevil?

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Probably yes. But he would have to connect first. World War Daredevil is vastly more skilled than before the possession, as noted by Shang and Rand.
you are being sarcastic arent you?
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you got me. 😮

SasuOna Senior Member

Apparently everything that Beast possessed DD is all down to PIS because of general wank.
I mean to say that base Iron Fist, Shang Chi, or Wolverine could beat him currently is pretty illogical.

For the record Daredevil is faster than wolverine, he has better bullet timing feats throughout his career and better displays of agility. The only time Wolverine ever got a 1 up on DD was when he was wearing his bulky armor costume that slowed him down significantly.

I really don't see how demon wolverine is going to beat the Beast when hes obviously a great deal stronger and faster than Logan. I mean Gorgon gives Wolverine trouble and hes not that stronger than him.

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you are now comparing Gorgon to DD?facepalm2

i should have just checked your sign up date.uggh

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

Originally posted by SasuOna

For the record Daredevil is faster than wolverine, he has better bullet timing feats throughout his career and better displays of agility. The only time Wolverine ever got a 1 up on DD was when he was wearing his bulky armor costume that slowed him down significantly.

No he not, that some bs you made up. There is zero evidences that DD is faster then Wolverine. You keep saying this garbage that he has better feats lets see them. Because it utter bull shit. In fact unlike Wolverine DD has admitted to being physically inferior to capt has admitted to be slower then spiderman ect. Neither of which wolverine has even hinted at being inferior to. Infact Wolverine had spiderman wondering if he was in fact the faster of the two.

also there zero evidence that DD was slower in his black suit, that more BS you came up with.

You honestly have no idea what agility entails, you assume it purely acrobatic which it not, and even then it debatable.

wolverine not a bullet timer, he legit bullet dodger.

Originally posted by SasuOna
really don't see how demon wolverine is going to beat the Beast when hes obviously a great deal stronger and faster than Logan. I mean Gorgon gives Wolverine trouble and hes not that stronger than him.

No it not, there zero evidence he even faster then Wolverine let a lone much greater. That more BS your making up.

Gorgon would destroy DD.

Juk3n Devils Advocate
Originally posted by SasuOna

For the record Daredevil is faster than wolverine, he has better bullet timing feats throughout his career and better displays of agility.

You can't show me a SINGLE skill/agility/speed feat of Regular Daredevil that Wolverine hasn't/is unable/ to match..thats right...NOT A SINGLE FEAT.

Prove me wrong.

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Gorgon would destroy DD.

SasuOna Senior Member

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
No he not, that some bs you made up. There is zero evidences that DD is faster then Wolverine. You keep saying this garbage that he has better feats lets see them. Because it utter bull shit. In fact unlike Wolverine DD has admitted to being physically inferior to capt has admitted to be slower then spiderman ect. Neither of which wolverine has even hinted at being inferior to. Infact Wolverine had spiderman wondering if he was in fact the faster of the two.

So you want me to prove something but your using flawed ABC logic to make a case about Wolverine which isn't correct anyway. Of course Cap and Spidey are faster than DD and Wolverine. Thats not my point, Daredevil has better bullet timing feats than Wolverine. Current DD is beyond Wolverine as he proved when he overpowered Wolverine and hit him through a stone pillar.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

also there zero evidence that DD was slower in his black suit, that more BS you came up with.

Maybe if you actually read Daredevil you would note that they say his armor costume is actually slowing him down because of the armor that he needs for protection. He notes that hes sacrificing speed but he needs that protection the costume gives him.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

You honestly have no idea what agility entails, you assume it purely acrobatic which it not, and even then it debatable.

Agility is defined as "the ability to change the body's position efficiently, and requires the integration of isolated movement skills using a combination of balance, coordination, speed, reflexes, strength, endurance and stamina."
So yeah regular DD had enhanced human agility. The Beast is amping him beyond that. Demon Wolverine is the same except for being on fire.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

wolverine not a bullet timer, he legit bullet dodger.

So your saying hes aim dodging and isn't fast enough to block the bullets himself?
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

No it not, there zero evidence he even faster then Wolverine let a lone much greater. That more BS your making up.

Gorgon would destroy DD.


If Wolverine were faster than DD he wouldn't get consistently defeated by Elektra who is a legit bullet timer just like DD now would he.
Also note I'm talking about Shadowland DD and not regular DD, You inferring that regular DD couldn't beat Gorgon is arguable but saying Shadowland DD isn't capable of doing it is some made up fantasy.

Juk3n Devils Advocate
Originally posted by SasuOna
You inferring that regular DD couldn't beat Gorgon is arguable

you're complete lack of knowledge of either character made evident by this one sentence gratz.

The only "arguable" thing about DD vs Gorgon would be, 1) would Gorgon slaughter him within 20 seconds? or 2) within 10 seconds.

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member
Originally posted by SasuOna
So you want me to prove something but your using flawed ABC logic to make a case about Wolverine which isn't correct anyway. Of course Cap and Spidey are faster than DD and Wolverine.

why on either do you believe capt is faster then wolverine? There is literally no evidence that remotely suggests this.

Spiderman has question his own speed against wolverine, wondering if he was faster. Wolverine can match spidermans best speed feats.

Originally posted by SasuOna
Thats not my point, Daredevil has better bullet timing feats than Wolverine.

No he doesent, that’s simply some BS you made up and keep trying to pass as a fact when it far from it. Your wolverine knowledge is garbage at best.

Also I love to see DD match let a lone beat this combat speed feat of Wolverines.

Wolverine speed blitz a bunch of special opt soldier trained to take down meta human.
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Originally posted by SasuOna
Current DD is beyond Wolverine as he proved when he overpowered Wolverine and hit him through a stone pillar.

no it did not, you are vastly over playing that scene. All that happen was that Wolverine stabbed him, got suprized by the fact that DD did not go down and got overpowered and thrown into a pillar, was taken out via plot device. Only thing proven there was that DD was stronger then Wolverine nothing more. That damage done to wolverine was nothing, the author had to resort to a plot device that DD would not have in this fight, most likely because wolverine him self was enough to get the job done.

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Originally posted by SasuOna
Maybe if you actually read Daredevil you would note that they say his armor costume is actually slowing him down because of the armor that he needs for protection. He notes that hes sacrificing speed but he needs that protection the costume gives him.

prove it.

Originally posted by SasuOna
Agility is defined as "the ability to change the body's position efficiently, and requires the integration of isolated movement skills using a combination of balance, coordination, speed, reflexes, strength, endurance and stamina."
So yeah regular DD had enhanced human agility. The Beast is amping him beyond that. Demon Wolverine is the same except for being on fire.

So your saying hes aim dodging and isn't fast enough to block the bullets himself?


for starters that not even the correct definition, you got that off wiki. Agility has nothing to do with endurance and strength. It has to do with balance, nimbleness and dexterity. Actaully dictionary gives definition as “lightness of foot”

Wolverine already superhuman in all thoses area’s. to begin with including agility
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No I am saying he literraly dodges bullets after there fired, he has no need to aim dodge.

Originally posted by SasuOna
If Wolverine were faster than DD he wouldn't get consistently defeated by Elektra who is a legit bullet timer just like DD now would he.

He doesent, and your ignoring complete context of there fights. Hell Elektra even stated in one of there fights that he faster then her. Then she implied the only reason she hangs with him is because he holds back while she willing to kill him, he always looking for the good in her.

So no your full of crap.

Originally posted by SasuOna
Also note I'm talking about Shadowland DD and not regular DD, You inferring that regular DD couldn't beat Gorgon is arguable but saying Shadowland DD isn't capable of doing it is some made up fantasy.

You delusional. The fact you think normal DD can take on Gorgon is arguable prove just how delusional you are. This is what Gorgon did to Elektra.

As for current DD he shown nothing to suggest he be able to take Gorgon the majority, you clearly have no idea what your talking about

SasuOna Senior Member

Originally posted by Juk3n
you're complete lack of knowledge of either character made evident by this one sentence gratz.

The only "arguable" thing about DD vs Gorgon would be, 1) would Gorgon slaughter him within 20 seconds? or 2) within 10 seconds.

Its arguable because it won't be a stomp like you seem to think
A. hes not turning DD to stone
B. Daredevil has way better senses than Wolverine
C. also has telepathy so hes not reading his mind

It would be a fight that DD loses but its not going to be a stomp

In any case Shadowland DD is a great deal stronger and faster than Gorgon.
CIS off he would just rip Gorgon's head off.

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

Originally posted by SasuOna
Its arguable because it won't be a stomp like you seem to think
A. hes not turning DD to stone
B. Daredevil has way better senses than Wolverine
C. also has telepathy so hes not reading his mind

no it not, only if your a delusional fanboy like yourself, could believe such a notion.

does not need it at all

won't help him at all and wolverine has superior sense of smell and this is fact.

DD has very limmited telepathy which he uses only to communicate with other chaste members. Elektra who has legit telepathy could do nothing to prevent gorgon friend reading her like a book. so as always your full of crap.

Originally posted by SasuOna
would be a fight that DD loses but its not going to be a stomp

In any case Shadowland DD is a great deal stronger and faster than Gorgon.
CIS off he would just rip Gorgon's head off.


no it would be a stomp, he has nothing on gorgon.

No he not, you just keep making up a bunch of crap and trying to present it as fact when it not. He never have the chance to ripp his head off. Gorgon would cut him into pieces well before then.

SasuOna Senior Member

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
why on either do you believe capt is faster then wolverine? There is literally no evidence that remotely suggests this.

Except all the times Cap has clearly been shown to be superior to Wolverine. Daredevil dodging Cap's shield throws and of course Wolverines general lack of speed feats like Caps.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

Spiderman has question his own speed against wolverine, wondering if he was faster. Wolverine can match spidermans best speed feats.

The fact that you are taking this at face value is ridiculous. I guess the time DD saved Spider-man from being shot is a clear indication that Spider-man is slower than both of them and not just an extreme case of PIS.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

No he doesent, that’s simply some BS you made up and keep trying to pass as a fact when it far from it. Your wolverine knowledge is garbage at best.

I know Wolverine would rather get shot than dodge bullets for a reason. If he was fast enough to bullet time he would have feats comparable to Spidey or DD. All he has is fights with characters with those feats which can easily be labeled as a PIS occurence.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

Also I love to see DD match let a lone beat this combat speed feat of Wolverines.

hmmm what speed feats of wolverine are you referring? because combat speed is not the same as movement speed. DD regularly uses his senses to predict what his opponents are going to do.
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Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

Wolverine speed blitz a bunch of special opt soldier trained to take down meta human.
http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinev1068170in.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinev1068183cz.jpg

And Daredevil beat 100 MGH powered Yakuza in 3 minutes.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

Only thing proven there was that DD was stronger then Wolverine nothing more.
Don't say its a plot device
He clearly lost the fight, just call it a low showing if you don't agree with it.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

for starters that not even the correct definition, you got that off wiki. Agility has nothing to do with endurance and strength. It has to do with balance, nimbleness and dexterity. Actaully dictionary gives definition as “lightness of foot”


You are overemphasizing the use of one term in a definition. Its the same thing.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

He doesent, and your ignoring complete context of there fights. Hell Elektra even stated in one of there fights that he faster then her. Then she implied the only reason she hangs with him is because he holds back while she willing to kill him, he always looking for the good in her.

No thats just your warped way of trying to rationalize why Wolverine always loses to her.
Hes said multiple times shes better than him. There was never an instance when Logan showed pity on her in their fights. If anything she literally always predicts everything Wolverine does because she knows how he going to fight and can read his mind.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

You delusional. The fact you think normal DD can take on Gorgon is arguable prove just how delusional you are. This is what Gorgon did to Elektra.

Has nothing to do with what I said
Also has nothing to do with this fight.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

As for current DD he shown nothing to suggest he be able to take Gorgon the majority, you clearly have no idea what your talking about

-Over powering wolverine
-keeping up with Spider-man
-A great deal stronger than Gorgon is currently
-Has legit wins over martial artists better than Gorgon

Delusional much?
Gorgon really doesn't have anything that can can compare with DD currently.

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member
Originally posted by SasuOna
Except all the times Cap has clearly been shown to be superior to Wolverine.

When were these times? I love to see evidences of this. Your so full of crap/ They foughten three times. Wolverine won two of them and the other one got interrupted right away.

Originally posted by SasuOna
Daredevil dodging Cap's shield throws and of course Wolverines general lack of speed feats like Caps.

what does DD dodging capt shield throws have to do with anything? Wolverine lacking speed feats like capt is utter bs, prove it. Wolverine has numerous speed feats and I already posted one you simply could not match.

Originally posted by SasuOna
The fact that you are taking this at face value is ridiculous. I guess the time DD saved Spider-man from being shot is a clear indication that Spider-man is slower than both of them and not just an extreme case of PIS.

What wrong with it? Wolverine surprised spiderman because his speed was comparable. Wolverine has foughten spiderman several times and has consistently been shown as easily keeping up, the same is true with his fights with venom, lizard,puma and vermin. Wolverine always shown keeping pace with spiderman and spidermans rougues who have comparable speed.

Originally posted by SasuOna
I know Wolverine would rather get shot than dodge bullets for a reason. If he was fast enough to bullet time he would have feats comparable to Spidey or DD.

except he does……….your just ignorant.

Originally posted by SasuOna

All he has is fights with characters with those feats which can easily be labeled as a PIS occurence.

Lol so now your going to call pis on his feats because you dislike what they potray that’s laughable. He consistently is potrayed this way. So what now your trying to say feats against cannon fodder is more important then established character? Are you kidding me? That simply foolishness.

Originally posted by SasuOna

hmmm what speed feats of wolverine are you referring? because combat

you know like the one you pretty much ignored.

Originally posted by SasuOna

speed is not the same as movement speed. DD regularly uses his senses to predict what his opponents are going to do.
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This is almost completely irrelevant to what we, were discussing. We were debating speed, him being able to senses an attack is irrelevant and not comparable to the feat I post, which you yet to match after all this talk about how DD so much faster………….

Wolverine can do that as well anyways, and this is extremely impressive reflect feat as well.
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Originally posted by SasuOna

And Daredevil beat 100 MGH powered Yakuza in 3 minutes.

This is not comparable at all. You yet to be able to match my feat and have simply been throwing out redd herrings. You saying things arnt evidence…..I don’t even believe this feat exists.

Originally posted by SasuOna

Don't say its a plot device
He clearly lost the fight, just call it a low showing if you don't agree with it.


It was a plot device. Wolverien stabbed DD, who survived it and did not fall which was a great surprise to wolverine who even goes “that’s impossible” , then DD overpowered the surprised wolverine and throw him. Oh and then Wolverine happens to hit a column that falls on him……….you try and tell me that not a plot device…….then I even posted evidences of wolverine being hit through several columns and smashed on by class 100 with out any real ill effect which you never commented on I notice……..please don’t kid your self, that was defiantly a plot device.

Originally posted by SasuOna

No thats just your warped way of trying to rationalize why Wolverine always loses to her.
Hes said multiple times shes better than him. There was never an instance when Logan showed pity on her in their fights. If anything she literally always predicts everything Wolverine does because she knows how he going to fight and can read his mind.


No it is what was stated on panel.

Originally posted by SasuOna

Has nothing to do with what I said
Also has nothing to do with this fight.

-Over powering wolverine
-keeping up with Spider-man
-A great deal stronger than Gorgon is currently
-Has legit wins over martial artists better than Gorgon

Delusional much?
Gorgon really doesn't have anything that can can compare with DD currently.


No it clearly did you simply disliked what it showed.

Gorgon did the same thing.
Wolverine done the same thing numerous times and gorgon completely owned him with his speed. Gorgon also out reacted the speedstir Yo-Yo before as well.
Gorgon completely dominated Elektra while toying with her on complete level beyond anything DD did.

No you are clearly still the delusional one who has no idea what he talking about.

Trackz Senior Member

marvel nemesis fights were non-canon