I disagree, Logan has been around for a long time, and he has fought martial arts when he spent time in japan. He has a lot more skill than most people give him credit for, but he just doesn't seem like it cause he can go so berzerk. I give Logan the edge here cause he has HF, he's stronger(i think), and he has more overall fighting knowledge than batman.
Originally posted by hulkgoalie
I disagree, Logan has been around for a long time, and he has fought martial arts when he spent time in japan. He has a lot more skill than most people give him credit for, but he just doesn't seem like it cause he can go so berzerk. I give Logan the edge here cause he has HF, he's stronger(i think), and he has more overall fighting knowledge than batman.
Batman(presumed to be dead) managed after 8 years of non stop torment, torture, and pain both physical, mental, and emotional to defeat Desaad in his own game and replace him under Darkseid's very nose..... Eight years Desaad and Darkseid had been trying to break him, and not only did he not break, but he owned Desaad just in time to help the time travelling members of the League coming to avert the Apocalypse.We are talking about the Lord of Apocalypse and his sadistic helper who lives for others pain and has devised ways of torture never seen by man. Bruce went through this every day....every moment for 8 whole years with no outside help. That is a feat of will beyond basic pain threshold. A willpower feat as impressive as any Wolverine has ever demonstrated.
Batman's entire life, and existence is a testament to his willpower, going on when there is no reason to push on, no reason to keep living, pushing on through unbearable grief and loss.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I'd bank on 'may not.' By a good margin.
Wolverine is a master tactician in his own right, just because Batmans entire career is BASED on him being a great tactician doesn't mean he's the best. Ares has been the God of war since forever, that doesn't make him the best fighter. Batmans books highlight his tactical prowess, Wolverines books highlight his combat/mutant abilities. But the tactical application gap is not as big as you want it to be.
Couldn't Wolverine just overwhelm Bats with pure will power? I mean, just look at what pheonix said about about his will. Batman's got brilliance but it's not as though Wolverine's a strategic numbskull... plus he has an edge in experience..
In any case, his will is legendary and we've already seen what it's like when a creature filled with Rage gets ahold of a GL ring.
Originally posted by jinzin
Couldn't Wolverine just overwhelm Bats with pure will power? I mean, just look at what pheonix said about about his will. Batman's got brilliance but it's not as though Wolverine's a strategic numbskull... plus he has an edge in experience..
In any case, his will is legendary and we've already seen what it's like when a creature filled with Rage gets ahold of a GL ring.
Overwhelm Batman with Willpower? LOL Did you read my feat above?
No one her has said Wolverine isn't a good tactician, they just say Batman is better, and he is Ras Al Ghul has more experience than Batman too, in fact more than Wolverine as well, doesn't stop batman from beating him. Heck many people Batman beats are more experienced. Vandal Savage, and numerous others. Also Wolverine having more experience matters even less because they both have relatively the same amount of experience with the GL ring which is the main aspect of this battle.
will power wise like Jinzin said goes to Wolverine.
the whole Rock of ages didnt happen since history was rewritten and the future changed.
the batman of the future is not the same as now. he doesnt have that history feat to draw from as the current character.
Wolverines willpower has bn enough to shake and struggle agaist pheonix(jean) in a TK/TP hold.
to fight off the TP blast from Emma
to break through Nate's TK Shield.
to Fight of a forest spirit in a battle of pure will and rage and radiate psionic energy.
like i said in a confrontational battle both locking blast Batman would get incinerated.
what torture or will feat was it that Deesad showed or gave Bat's?
8 years and batman was simply scarred, no missing arms, eyes leg.
what was the psychological torture. it is vague he lived under Deesads rule not continuous torture.
bats has broken down when he is forced to relive his parents murder.
8 yrs with some one who doesnt soley focus on you as impressive as it may sound is not equal to a life time of torture and pain being forced to relive it in mid battle and breaking free of it.
wolverine has done it repeatedly with the shiva robots, after life, weapon x.. etc etc..
^ Wolverine's regressed many times. He's lost control many times. While that arguably serves to heighten his physical ferocity and compliments his fighting style, it doesn't help focus his will. And I somehow doubt that his personal resolution at the very end of Wolverine: Origins is going to reverse that trend anytime soon. Even though it should.
Originally posted by LunacydeThat doesn't make sense at all.
The fact that that future never came to pass because they time travelled and prevented it doesn't discount the feat because he did it, and the story is canon.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0regressing and having the animal nature exert itself doesnt make wolverine less willed then bats.
^ Wolverine's regressed many times. He's lost control many times. While that arguably serves to heighten his physical ferocity and compliments his fighting style, it doesn't help focus his will. And I somehow doubt that his personal resolution at the very end of Wolverine: Origins is going to reverse that trend anytime soon. Even though it should. That doesn't make sense at all.
logan has willed himself in the past from his own mental and physical regression.
he exerted his will over his own body to make it human again.
has batman ever bn turned to an animal and regained his mental function to some how imply bats would do better..
self control of ones anger is not the same as the animal/feral struggle logan suffered with for his entire life.