I have as much right to dissect these movies as anyone else, comic book knowledge withstanding.
I said before, they don't have TIME to exploit every single characters relationships. What's bigger? Someones personal feud, or delving into the most popular characters unknown origins, when Singer focused on "Weapon X" in "X2"?
As for Gambit and Beast, they also gave the shaft to alot of other X Men. In Xavier's school, there were only mere mentions of Artie, Kitty Pryde, Jubilee, and Collosus had little screen time. You can only put so much into a 1.5 - 2 hour movie, and still devlop the characters, the story, and wrap it all up, and make it enjoyable.
You people still fail to understand this whole deal with the costumes. They work for COMICS.
Name one comic book movie where the original costumes were kept for the characters? Tick..tock..tick..tick..
That's right..VERY FEW. The Rocketeer? BOMBED. The Phantom? BOMBED. The Shadow? BOMBED!
God, even the lame ass "The Avengers" movie updated it's style, and it still bombed. Have any of you watched X Men: Evolution? Did they not change their outfits for that show as well? Ever consider why? Because it's 2004, maybe?
The reason you don't see any comic book movies being made with these "superheroes" in their original garb is because it's so ****ing outdated and unstylish, that it would get laughed at and ridiculed!
Everyone seems to forget the 1989 Batman movie. Everyone went apeshit when they saw Keaton's vacumformed bodysuit, and the new Batman logo. From that day forward, "original" costumes would NOT cut it in today's movies. Do you think a guy wearing gray flannel pajamas, some blue biker shorts, a yellow belt, and a little blue mask would have made him look intimidating? No.
That said, Spiderman's outfit had a MAJOR overhaul. The red is redder, the blue darker, the eyes are pearlescent domes, the webbing is raised, and the logo is updated. Of all the people that hated Green Goblin's outfit, I loved it. I thought it was necessary, and very stylish.
Sorry for the rant, but alot of you are failing to recognize what will and will not work in the 2004 when it comes to movies being adapted from comics. Something work in print that sure as hell don't work on celluloid.
Originally posted by Lord Soth
The thing I hate about comic book fans is that they can never enjoy the movies...even if it's REALLY good, like X-Men was. They spend to much time picking it apart for not 100% adhereing to the comic book, which is rarely a bad thing anyway.
i dont think X-men was really good by just movie standards good yes but not great but the fact is its about a story that already exists so they should stick to it, or be creative and make their own idea
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
That's my point, you won't see Daredevil in some goddamn banana yellow body suit with beady red eyes.Honestly, in the year 2004, the 21st century, do you think people want to see this...
or this..
Obviously what your totally failing to realize is by making these "mutants" more human, people in general can identify with them. I would have assumed you would have already known this? It's pretty much what the catalyst for the entire X Men saga; equality.
Like I said, these brightly colored sissy body suits don't fly in todays movie society. That's better left for comic books. Tradition doesn't bring audiences in, modernization for the general public does.
When I say "sign off", I mean that Stan Lee wouldn't have given his approval, which I am POSITIVE both directors did before submitting it, since he knows best.
Lastly, don't confuse "flaws" with something that was done different on purpose. Something are bound to get lost in translation, and some things are going to be better adapted to flow with a mainstream motion picture. Don't get the two mixed, because there can't be any critical flaws unless they set out to do everything according the original in the first place, which they did NOT.
call the damn movie something else for christ sakes if they are going to betray the spirit of the comic by having them wear black leather outfits.that movie SHOULD have been called BLACK LEATHER MEN.seeing as how they have never been seen on screen there is no proof that those costumes dont fly.as forum guy pointed out earlier there WERE critical flaws in the movie.again STAN LEE has no say so in the matter what so ever and a lot of times directors cant make the movie the way they want it to be made because studios wont allow them to,for instance we know for sure that Raimi wanted to have Gwen Stacy in the upcoming sequel to the name of the movie at the bottom of my sig, 😄 but thats not going to happen because the studios wont allow him to direct the movie the way he wants to direct it.
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
I have as much right to dissect these movies as anyone else, comic book knowledge withstanding.I said before, they don't have TIME to exploit every single characters relationships. What's bigger? Someones personal feud, or delving into the most popular characters unknown origins, when Singer focused on "Weapon X" in "X2"?
As for Gambit and Beast, they also gave the shaft to alot of other X Men. In Xavier's school, there were only mere mentions of Artie, Kitty Pryde, Jubilee, and Collosus had little screen time. You can only put so much into a 1.5 - 2 hour movie, and still devlop the characters, the story, and wrap it all up, and make it enjoyable.
You people still fail to understand this whole deal with the costumes. They work for COMICS.
Name one comic book movie where the original costumes were kept for the characters? Tick..tock..tick..tick..
That's right..VERY FEW. The Rocketeer? BOMBED. The Phantom? BOMBED. The Shadow? BOMBED!
God, even the lame ass "The Avengers" movie updated it's style, and it still bombed. Have any of you watched X Men: Evolution? Did they not change their outfits for that show as well? Ever consider why? Because it's 2004, maybe?
The reason you don't see any comic book movies being made with these "superheroes" in their original garb is because it's so ****ing outdated and unstylish, that it would get laughed at and ridiculed!
Everyone seems to forget the 1989 Batman movie. Everyone went apeshit when they saw Keaton's vacumformed bodysuit, and the new Batman logo. From that day forward, "original" costumes would NOT cut it in today's movies. Do you think a guy wearing gray flannel pajamas, some blue biker shorts, a yellow belt, and a little blue mask would have made him look intimidating? No.
That said, Spiderman's outfit had a MAJOR overhaul. The red is redder, the blue darker, the eyes are pearlescent domes, the webbing is raised, and the logo is updated. Of all the people that hated Green Goblin's outfit, I loved it. I thought it was necessary, and very stylish.
Sorry for the rant, but alot of you are failing to recognize what will and will not work in the 2004 when it comes to movies being adapted from comics. Something work in print that sure as hell don't work on celluloid.
you seem to go along with whatever hollywood does to a superhero movie no matter how stupid the change is so I can see reasoning with you is hopeless.there have been many people I have come across who were non spiderman fans who hated that goblin costume,that tells me something right there.the thing is people moaned when they heard about the costume chage to batman but once they saw the new costume they changed their mind because unlike the goblin or the xmen costumes,it was a reasonable change.Bullseyes costume change was reasonable,goblin costume and xmen were not. 🙄
I think the idea of updating costumes is silly. Costumes were never based on what was fashionable, so it doesn't really make sense to "update" them, since there is nothing about them to link them to a given time period in the first place. That being said, it doesn't really bother me.
Having Batman kill people in the first two movies, on the other hand, does bother me. I'm not going to go into details--people who care can come over to the Comic Book Forums and look it up--but since the discussion is "movies that you hate but others love," I thought I'd mention it.
you seem to go along with whatever hollywood does to a superhero movie no matter how stupid the change is so I can see reasoning with you is hopeless.
..and you seem to be unable to grasp the concept of evolution. It's been a pleasure talking to a brick wall this entire time.
I think the idea of updating costumes is silly. Costumes were never based on what was fashionable, so it doesn't really make sense to "update" them, since there is nothing about them to link them to a given time period in the first place.
Just because it wasn't based on what was fashionable doesn't mean that the style can stand the test of time, which it doesn't for any comic book characters made between 1940 - 1995. Like I said, nobody wants to see a supposed superhero in spandex.
And please no more superhero talk.
Sorry, Kes. I'm all done.
Originally posted by KesIt wasn't superhero talk, it was a statement saying that he's incredibly stubborn 😛
[b]No more superhero talk! [/B]
Anywho, I'll be the first to admit that it takes a lot for me to hate a movie. Even if I'm aware that the movie is bad, I can still enjoy it. So It's hard to name anything more than I already have 😛