Dr. Doom vs Doctor Manhattan

Manhattan doesn't believe on free will, that alone makes him kind of not have free will.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
No he never chose a damn thing. He knows what he's going to do before he does it and can't do a thing to change it because it's *already* happened and he's like an observer.

As he says:

"We're all puppets. I'm just a puppet who can see the strings."

Originally posted by Bentley
Manhattan doesn't believe on free will, that alone makes him kind of not have free will.

Originally posted by Bentley
Manhattan doesn't believe on free will, that alone makes him kind of not have free will.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
He doesn't do what he feels like just what is most logical.It doesn't mean he can't do what he feels like.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
How do you not understand the concept of determinism?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
How do you not understand the concept of determinism?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
which is?

Watchmen's Universe is a deterministic Universe.

If you believe in an Omniscient God then you're a determinist by default.

Originally posted by Omega Vision

If you believe in an Omniscient God then you're a determinist by default.

Originally posted by Mindset
Not really.

So either God doesn't know what you're going to do next (meaning you have a choice) and he's not Omniscient, or he does and you have no choice.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
How do you not understand the concept of determinism?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
which is?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yeah. If God knows how all events will unfold then there is no way they can unfold otherwise.

So either God doesn't know what you're going to do next (meaning you have a choice) and he's not Omniscient, or he does and you have no choice.

Originally posted by Mindset
Youre talking about predestination, which isn't the same as determinism. God knowing what will happen wouldn't take away free will, as the choice was still made by the person, and not determined by god.

Originally posted by marwash22
BBZ, get off Manhattan's giant blue dick.

Actually, if you saw the comic, it's more of a teeny tiny glowing blue dick.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yeah. If God knows how all events will unfold then there is no way they can unfold otherwise.

So either God doesn't know what you're going to do next (meaning you have a choice) and he's not Omniscient, or he does and you have no choice.

You also assume that time -as we know it- exists and that the way we experiment the universe actually affects the perception that God has about the universe. For all we know everything happens at the same time and free will is built around just experiencing certain things at a certain given way.

Manhattan thinks that the universe is deterministic, but the fact he got outsmarted kind of proves his conception of the world is limited by his perception. If there are blind spots in what you perceive as everything, your -perceived- inability to "change" anything is skewed too.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Actually, if you saw the comic, it's more of a teeny tiny glowing blue dick.

Originally posted by marwash22
not when he's 30 feet tall.

Relative to the height, still pretty small. 😛

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Relative to the height, still pretty small. 😛

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Actually, if you saw the comic, it's more of a teeny tiny glowing blue dick.

Originally posted by Mindset
Youre talking about predestination, which isn't the same as determinism. God knowing what will happen wouldn't take away free will, as the choice was still made by the person, and not determined by god.

Predestination is just another form of determinism.