There seems to be a lot of idiots running schools these days.
It's pretty amazing that the guy got such a slap on the wrist for his crime, too. It makes you wonder who are the people overpopulating the prisons if rapists get off with community service. And murderers, I dunno, they probably have to write an apology letter or something. How annoying that must be.
Also, this guy shouldn't be on a team. He's likely to rape/kill one of the opposing players or a ref after a bad call.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Man, you have a lot to learn about modern media 😛
wait, you mean a nuanced discussion about the realities rape victimes endure isn't something that will catch people's attention and make them watch CNN? it needs to be sensational?
Originally posted by Bardock42
No, but I agree with you, like Sym and I talked about, the other things are much worse, kicking her off the High School team is surely one of the least things and perhaps in some way justifiable.Though I don't think H.S. is at fault for anything, she has to deal with the cards she's been given, and to try to go on with her life, including the things she likes to do, without being intimidated by her rapist or the school who seems to try to cover it up in some ways is a rather brave thing to do, imo.
oh, I agree, she is certainly acting in a way that non-psychologists would define as "brave" (I guess we psychologists might call it brave too, just with much less enthusiasm).
I would question whether or not "bravery" is the appropriate reaction, when it has her, on a daily basis, either passing this individual and his friends in the hall at school or cheering for him indirectly. Like, highschool is bad enough.
To me, I guess, it just seems like someone should have sat her down and been like, "look, you want to cheer, we will figure it out, but it isn't going to be for him, and you aren't going to have to see him at school ever again". Ultimately, he should be the one who has to change schools or go to jail, but even ignoring that cluster****, trying to have everyone act like things are normal (and by everyone, I mean her peers, coaches, teachers, etc, who all know) is probably the worst possible thing for her.
I mean, look at how this must seem to her now. Who does she think she can go to for help?
Originally posted by inimalist
oh, I agree, she is certainly acting in a way that non-psychologists would define as "brave" (I guess we psychologists might call it brave too, just with much less enthusiasm).I would question whether or not "bravery" is the appropriate reaction, when it has her, on a daily basis, either passing this individual and his friends in the hall at school or cheering for him indirectly. Like, highschool is bad enough.
To me, I guess, it just seems like someone should have sat her down and been like, "look, you want to cheer, we will figure it out, but it isn't going to be for him, and you aren't going to have to see him at school ever again". Ultimately, he should be the one who has to change schools or go to jail, but even ignoring that cluster****, trying to have everyone act like things are normal (and by everyone, I mean her peers, coaches, teachers, etc, who all know) is probably the worst possible thing for her.
I mean, look at how this must seem to her now. Who does she think she can go to for help?
I agree. That's what I meant though, she's in a shitty situation and tries to make the best out of it. It's hard though, I mean changing schools, leaving all your friends behind, etc. is not a nice thing to do, it may be better for her in some ways, on the other hand it might be just as bad or worse...either way, I don't think anyone can tell what the perfect thing for her would be, what we can definitely say though is that what the coach, the principal and the superintendent have done is the wrong thing and (to use some layman's terms again if you don't mind) ****ing despicable.
Originally posted by inimalist
wait, you mean a nuanced discussion about the realities rape victimes endure isn't something that will catch people's attention and make them watch CNN? it needs to be sensational?
The state of the American media in specific is a sad, sad affair.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I agree. That's what I meant though, she's in a shitty situation and tries to make the best out of it. It's hard though, I mean changing schools, leaving all your friends behind, etc. is not a nice thing to do, it may be better for her in some ways, on the other hand it might be just as bad or worse...either way, I don't think anyone can tell what the perfect thing for her would be, what we can definitely say though is that what the coach, the principal and the superintendent have done is the wrong thing and (to use some layman's terms again if you don't mind) ****ing despicable.
I totally get that, and it is very easy to sympathize with her because of it. I guess, ya, I'm not trying to say she has done anything wrong or that we shouldn't commend her for.
And ya, the question becomes then, what does she do? does she live as if she can't do the things she loves or is she forced to pretend this stuff never happened to her? god, I'm getting like vicerally angry here, this poor girl... like seriously, how did they let it get to this? Is the basketball coach/school administration really such a **** up? did they think a gang-rape was going to just get "swept under the rug" and "bygones" were going to be "bygones".
Originally posted by Bardock42
Stoners
stoners are more, negligently unattentive, rather than malisciously retarded
Originally posted by inimalistThat wouldn't be a suprise.
I bet they forced him to do maitenence at a women's trauma house
I know someone (I don't want to call him a friend) who shot his GF with a gas gun straight to the head, she was screaming like it's the end of days after that she went to the police and told them someone attcked her, but the neighbors must have called the cops cause they already knew what was going on and told her to tell the truth the end of the story: Her punishment was worse than the one of her boyfriend cause the lied to the police...
Originally posted by Parmaniac
That wouldn't be a suprise.I know someone (I don't want to call him a friend) who shot his GF with a gas gun straight to the head, she was screaming like it's the end of days after that she went to the police and told them someone attcked her, but the neighbors must have called the cops cause they already knew what was going on and told her to tell the truth the end of the story: Her punishment was worse than the one of her boyfriend cause the lied to the police...
my ex had a guy try to break her door down with a baseball bat and assault her in her dorm.
the university tried to hide it, and got pissed she went to the police. The police, who according to her were actually very helpful, were able to get the guy sent to anger management.
I think there are members of the police who would, if they were able to, castrate any man who abused a woman. however, I don't think the system is set up to deal with domestic violence in an effective way.
Originally posted by inimalist
my ex had a guy try to break her door down with a baseball bat and assault her in her dorm.the university tried to hide it, and got pissed she went to the police. The police, who according to her were actually very helpful, were able to get the guy sent to anger management.
I think there are members of the police who would, if they were able to, castrate any man who abused a woman. however, I don't think the system is set up to deal with domestic violence in an effective way.
I think one of the issues is that it tends to be the attacker's words against the attackee's. Though also the attitudes towards rape victims and the stigma and the shame that comes with it in society.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I think one of the issues is that it tends to be the attacker's words against the attackee's. Though also the attitudes towards rape victims and the stigma and the shame that comes with it in society.
oh, totally, there are lots of degrees and nuances. there is a lot more to that story that sort of plays to how people can construe her as not simply the victim of some idiot.
Its just sad, like, how many of us know stories like these?
Originally posted by Bardock42
I'm German....and in Germany.
but, if you hope enough, it has to happen
their govenor is also Austrian, so I think you are just trying to cop out here
Originally posted by inimalist
oh, totally, there are lots of degrees and nuances. there is a lot more to that story that sort of plays to how people can construe her as not simply the victim of some idiot.Its just sad, like, how many of us know stories like these?
but, if you hope enough, it has to happen
their govenor is also Austrian, so I think you are just trying to cop out here
The numbers are horrible in western countries. But I saw a documentary about South Africa sometime, where girls apparently have a better chance of being raped than graduating high school. 1 in 2 vs. 1 in 3 and it's just insane.
I think we need to think through our attitudes towards rape though and women in general. Rape jokes and ideas of loose girls who are just asking for it, etc. are a big part of the problem.
Originally posted by Bardock42
The numbers are horrible in western countries. But I saw a documentary about South Africa sometime, where girls apparently have a better chance of being raped than graduating high school. 1 in 2 vs. 1 in 3 and it's just insane.
I've heard news (either DemocracyNow! or Bill Moyers Report) where it is claimed gang-rape is a type of male bonding in South Africa
Originally posted by Bardock42
I think we need to think through our attitudes towards rape though and women in general. Rape jokes and ideas of loose girls who are just asking for it, etc. are a big part of the problem.
that is so true. the problem exists for women as well. For some reason, women tend to view assault as their own fault, and are often very confused about their own feelings toward a rape.
The fact that most rapes are perpetrated by someone who you know makes this all the more difficult.
Originally posted by inimalistWhy didn't the state transfer her to a different school?
Way wrong question.
Why didn't the state transfer HIM to a different school? Like, juvy? Assault is still a crime, especially with it in his record that the assault charge was actually a lesser charge than first wanted.
Originally posted by siriuswriter
Way wrong question.Why didn't the state transfer HIM to a different school? Like, juvy? Assault is still a crime, especially with it in his record that the assault charge was actually a lesser charge than first wanted.
I do not like the plea bargaining system either.
Originally posted by inimalist
I've heard news (either DemocracyNow! or Bill Moyers Report) where it is claimed gang-rape is a type of male bonding in South Africathat is so true. the problem exists for women as well. For some reason, women tend to view assault as their own fault, and are often very confused about their own feelings toward a rape.
The fact that most rapes are perpetrated by someone who you know makes this all the more difficult.
Well, women just like men are brought up in this society, it may be easier for them to understand the problems women face, but they are just as much indoctrinated to view it as the norm.
Originally posted by siriuswriter
Way wrong question.Why didn't the state transfer HIM to a different school? Like, juvy? Assault is still a crime, especially with it in his record that the assault charge was actually a lesser charge than first wanted.
true, though I addressed this either in the post you quoted or the ones immediatly following it. it was more of an appeal that the school do anything, rather than hoping it would blow over