Originally posted by Bardock42
lol just cause she was raped and didn't want to cheer for her rapist that got the royal treatment, while she's been advised to keep a low profile and generally to act ashamed, lol, what a *****, lol
I'm just saying. What do you expect to happen when you join an activity that requires you to do something and you refuse to do it?
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
I'm just saying. What do you expect to happen when you join an activity that requires you to do something and you refuse to do it?
Depends on the circumstances.
Say I was raped by a guy and a very small part of the activity would include ...say cheer for just that guy....I'd probably expect them to cut me some slack. That the answer you were looking for? Probably could have guessed from my earlier posts.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
I'm just saying. What do you expect to happen when you join an activity that requires you to do something and you refuse to do it?
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL @ Texas.Rakheem Bolton, bet you he's black. Girl should have insisted he tried to convert her to Islam instead of gang-rape, they probably would have hung him.
That's exactly what I thought when I read Rakheem. And god those girls look 16 or something.
I would've killed that piece of ####!
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
I'm just saying. What do you expect to happen when you join an activity that requires you to do something and you refuse to do it?
I actually tend to agree with your sentiment, if we only look at the school's actions in a very narrow perspective.
However, her being put in the position where it was "cheer for your rapist or don't do something you love" sort of, to me at least, signifies that the school/state didn't do enough in the first place to deal with the actual offense.
Sure, she didn't follow cheer procedure, however, up until that point, we have a complete dereliction of responsibility from the state, the school, and frankly this girl's family, to protect her and provide a safe, non-toxic environment, for her to cheer in.
Like, put this in a work place. A woman would have a legitimate suit (I think the term is toxic environment) if she were forced to work with her former rapist.
Originally posted by inimalist
I actually tend to agree with your sentiment, if we only look at the school's actions in a very narrow perspective.However, her being put in the position where it was "cheer for your rapist or don't do something you love" sort of, to me at least, signifies that the school/state didn't do enough in the first place to deal with the actual offense.
Sure, she didn't follow cheer procedure, however, up until that point, we have a complete dereliction of responsibility from the state, the school, and frankly this girl's family, to protect her and provide a safe, non-toxic environment, for her to cheer in.
Like, put this in a work place. A woman would have a legitimate suit (I think the term is toxic environment) if she were forced to work with her former rapist.
Unfortunately the school was in a very awkward position that made changing the environment like that hard. The boy wasn't convicted of rape, he was convicted of assault. Yeah, he probably raped her but the school can't get rid of people because they're accused of raping someone, that would be disastrous.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Unfortunately the school was in a very awkward position that made changing the environment like that hard. The boy wasn't convicted of rape, he was convicted of assault. Yeah, he probably raped her but the school can't get rid of people because they're accused of raping someone, that would be disastrous.
well, I see your point, but there are degrees here. I'm not saying the school has the right to kick the guy out, but there could have been more accomodation than not doing anything. My issue seems to be that everyone thought the best course of action was to sweep it under the rug, which almost necessitiates the situation the girl eventually found herself in.
I agree its akward, but I tend to think there would be more sympathy for the school if they erred on the side of the victim, rather than the jock sporto
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Unfortunately the school was in a very awkward position that made changing the environment like that hard. The boy wasn't convicted of rape, he was convicted of assault. Yeah, he probably raped her but the school can't get rid of people because they're accused of raping someone, that would be disastrous.
Correct, as far as the faculty board is concerned, he's not a rapist as per the law; he just assaulted another student at the school.
But punishing her for not cheering her assailant, on top of [as inimilist noted] the "sweep under the rug" angle; it's easy to see that they're a bunch of assholes more concerned with how well their sport teams do and than mental/physical health of a student. There's probably something illegal there too, the favoritism of one student over the over.
edit: This guy will rape again, Texas just showed him that he can rape and get away with it, as long as he can dribble and shoot a ball well; he's likely too stupid to not try and dodge another bullet.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Unfortunately the school was in a very awkward position that made changing the environment like that hard. The boy wasn't convicted of rape, he was convicted of assault. Yeah, he probably raped her but the school can't get rid of people because they're accused of raping someone, that would be disastrous.
Actually if I read that correctly, the school took advantage of a technicality in which courts were changed during the proceedings to let him back in to play, which is when that incident happened. Not that I think it matters, even if it was assault, even if it just was an accusation there is no need to enforce such a small thing.
Additionally, one girl not having cheer for you is perhaps the tiniest of suffering a person can experience, if even that. Being thrown out of your team, being ostracized and bullied...that's a different scale. You are not delivering judgment by accommodating both sides to the best degree.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Depends on the circumstances.Say I was raped by a guy and a very small part of the activity would include ...say cheer for just that guy....I'd probably expect them to cut me some slack. That the answer you were looking for? Probably could have guessed from my earlier posts.
Right, because the world stops when a cheerleader is indifferent on her moral integrity. So, we're supposed to change the rules for her. What the hell else would the girl go if she isn't cheering...,watch the game? Yeah, i want to join the pittsburgh Steelers but i don't want to have to play football because i might break a nail. I guess i can be the waterboy, right?
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Right, because the world stops when a cheerleader is indifferent on her moral integrity. So, we're supposed to change the rules for her. What the hell else would the girl go if she isn't cheering...,watch the game? Yeah, i want to join the pittsburgh Steelers but i don't want to have to play football because i might break a nail. I guess i can be the waterboy, right?
...d-did you not read the article by chance?
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Right, because the world stops when a cheerleader is indifferent on her moral integrity. So, we're supposed to change the rules for her. What the hell else would the girl go if she isn't cheering...,watch the game? Yeah, i want to join the pittsburgh Steelers but i don't want to have to play football because i might break a nail. I guess i can be the waterboy, right?
Would you honestly do any different in her shoes?