no such thing as infinite it is just a vague term used to express a concept that is beyond measuring or understanding.
the fact is that there is two types of infinite descriptions one is small and the other large.
the book feat is small due to the fact that it was divided by the characters each carrying a percentage of weight and by this it can be divided further and further into smaller more conceptual ideas that can eventually be measured by numbers.
Originally posted by King Castle
no such thing as infinite it is just a vague term used to express a concept that is beyond measuring or understanding.the fact is that there is two types of infinite descriptions one is small and the other large.
the book feat is small due to the fact that it was divided by the characters each carrying a percentage of weight and by this it can be divided further and further into smaller more conceptual ideas that can eventually be measured by numbers.
it makes it an abstract feat and irrelevant either way.
no real way to gauge it especially since it is suppose to represent knowledge or something if irrc..
i mean how much does one idea weigh compared to a grain of sand?
or what is greater lifting the heavens or holding up a book with infinite pages.
you gotta ask how is it if the number is really infinitely great is it possible for superman to get trapped into a blackhole or strain to hold a micro blackhole in his hand.. by the way micro black holes theoritically exist and they pop in and out all over the place and disappear its bn said that you could walk with one in your brain and not even know it. 🤓 😖mart:
Originally posted by King Castle
it makes it an abstract feat and irrelevant either way.no real way to gauge it especially since it is suppose to represent knowledge or something if irrc..
i mean how much does one idea weigh compared to a grain of sand?
or what is greater lifting the heavens or holding up a book with infinite pages.
you gotta ask how is it if the number is really infinitely great is it possible for superman to get trapped into a blackhole or strain to hold a micro blackhole in his hand.. by the way micro black holes theoritically exist and they pop in and out all over the place and disappear its bn said that you could walk with one in your brain and not even know it. 🤓 😖mart:
It being a metaphysical lifting feat representing comprehension is a possibility, but there's no proof one way or another.
Straining=/=failing.
Originally posted by Omega VisionI don't even understand what you're babbling about
If the book was a physical object with infinite pages then it isn't an "abstract feat" or irrelevant because that would mean Superman lifted infinite mass.It being a metaphysical lifting feat representing comprehension is a possibility, but there's no proof one way or another.
Straining=/=failing.
but that feat was not a quantifiable feat representing anything about superman's strength.
its an abstract feat b/c it contains conceptual ideals it has no weight.
ideas do not weight anything.. it is given form by a book but what is in there is abstract.
so is it the superman is doing it purely physical and not by any other metaphysical ability or a combination of various things.
and if that is the case do you see it as the norm in his strength, which i do not.
too many times he has bn seen regularly straining and or failing to lift or push infinitely smaller mass real physical items.
Originally posted by Starscream M
because if you apply logic, the weight of that book had to be nothing
Originally posted by King Castle
its an abstract feat b/c it contains conceptual ideals it has no weight.ideas do not weight anything.. it is given form by a book but what is in there is abstract.
so is it the superman is doing it purely physical and not by any other metaphysical ability or a combination of various things.
and if that is the case do you see it as the norm in his strength, which i do not.
too many times he has bn seen regularly straining and or failing to lift or push infinitely smaller mass real physical items.
Did Morrison ever outright state what the book was?
If not your "logic" is based on an assumption which is no better than mine.
again it doesnt matter b/c it is not a normal every day feat but one in a life time feat putting it outside his ever day showings and abilities...
do we use hulk punching cap in forum battles? answer is: no, we do not.
do we use Herald smashing spiderman? again the answer is: no, we do not.
if we open up a superman book this month last month and the coming month will Superman be shown repeating that feat whether its physical or metapgysical, answer is no we will not.
we will see him getting hit by some random no body getting back up and straining to knock him out or lifting a infinitely smaller item hoping he doesnt fail.
Originally posted by Omega Visionyou either believe the book has no weight (in which case it is possible for superman to lift it) or that the book has infinite weight (in which case superman would need limitless strength to lift it)
That's assuming the interpretation of the Book as an Abstract object rather than a tangible object is correct.Did Morrison ever outright state what the book was?
If not your "logic" is based on an assumption which is no better than mine.
the latter is illogical by what we know of superman's strength (it isn't limitless)
Captain America vs. Superman: The Ultimate Hero
1: Who would more likely sacrifice themself to save one person?
This one is a tie.
2: Who has a stronger will?
This one is a tie. Although I'm leaning towards Cap.
3: Who is more humble/noble?
Cap.
4: Who is more idolized?
Superman.
5: Who has performed more evil/bad deeds?
Superman.
6: Who would you rather be in comics?
Superman no contest.
7: Who would you rather be in real life?
Superman no contest.
Originally posted by King Castle
again it doesnt matter b/c it is not a normal every day feat but one in a life time feat putting it outside his ever day showings and abilities...do we use hulk punching cap in forum battles? answer is: no, we do not.
do we use Herald smashing spiderman? again the answer is: no, we do not.
if we open up a superman book this month last month and the coming month will Superman be shown repeating that feat whether its physical or metapgysical, answer is no we will not.
we will see him getting hit by some random no body getting back up and straining to knock him out or lifting a infinitely smaller item hoping he doesnt fail.
actually, most of the time morrison writes superman he writes him as ridiculously uber.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Keep counting forever.There will still be more numbers.But if both are being counted at the same rate starting with 0 is bigger then starting with one.Do both sides go on forever?Yes.Is one side still bigger then the other?Yes.Just because they both go forever does not mean one cannot be bigger.
No. There is no linear progression in infinity, it just is. Which is where you are making your mistake. You sure are having a hard time coming to grips with this. Infinity is not a number. It is a concept. What part of this do you not understand? Like I said, you are trying to app;y real world mechanics to an abstract concept. It just does nt work. 😐
Originally posted by 753
but that's not really how we do this. alfred could do it if the writer sat down and thought about it.
I understand that. I believe that either superman or captain marvel could lift the book solo, based on the fact that half of infinity is still infinity, and also since ultraman lifted it solo.
Originally posted by snyper1982Your right.Infinity has no end.
No, they can't. Infinity has no start. No end. You are missing the concept of infinity entirely.
but like I said before count 0,1,2...on forever.Now count 1,2,3 on forever.
They both go on forever.But no matter how high you count the former will always be bigger.It started with a lower number to you can't count until the cows come home but the latter will never exceed the former in terms of how many numbers.