Originally posted by skekUng
Then why did he say he would have done more if he hadn't had a bad back? It was excessive.
That just goes to show how dangerous the kind of stunt this woman was doing can be.
The fact is that the woman who was stepped on, was taking a risk. She was approaching a controversial politician, with a political stunt. She should court her blessing, because she is still alive.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonI can see how she was lucky. She could have been hospitalized. Some of the blame does lie with the mob for not realizing that she wasn't a terrorist or an assassin who needed to be restrained with extreme prejudice. People who throw paint on furs are'nt so viciously restrained and they are nuts who are committing assault and vandalism. 😮💨
I think she was trying to give Rand Paul a fake award.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That just goes to show how dangerous the kind of stunt this woman was doing can be.The fact is that the woman who was stepped on, was taking a risk. She was approaching a controversial politician, with a political stunt. She should court her blessing, because she is still alive.
so we blame the victim?
Originally posted by inimalist
so we blame the victim?
In this case the victim was the politician who's people stopped what could have been a deadly attack. It did not turn out to be deadly, but that is hind sight. As far as the woman, do you think she would have been injured if she had not tried to do a political stunt?
I am not saying that those who stepped on her, were blameless, but there is a certain amount of justification based upon all the death threats that Rand Paul has received.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
In this case the victim was the politician who's people stopped what could have been a deadly attack. It did not turn out to be deadly, but that is hind sight. As far as the woman, do you think she would have been injured if she had not tried to do a political stunt?
So, wait when a woman nearly dies at a Rand Paul rally the only real victim is Rand Paul? I obviously need to start beating more people half to death.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am not saying that those who stepped on her, were blameless, but there is a certain amount of justification based upon all the death threats that Rand Paul has received.
That would only make matter if she was aiming a fake gun at him as a political stunt.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
In this case the victim was the politician who's people stopped what could have been a deadly attack. It did not turn out to be deadly, but that is hind sight. As far as the woman, do you think she would have been injured if she had not tried to do a political stunt?I am not saying that those who stepped on her, were blameless, but there is a certain amount of justification based upon all the death threats that Rand Paul has received.
LoL. It's called excessive use of force. You can clearly she she's trying to cover herself and not in any fashion threatening anyone around her, yet the rabid tea-baggers continue to grab, stomp and rip at her.
1st amendment be damned when tea-baggers are about.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
In this case the victim was the politician who's people stopped what could have been a deadly attack. It did not turn out to be deadly, but that is hind sight. As far as the woman, do you think she would have been injured if she had not tried to do a political stunt?I am not saying that those who stepped on her, were blameless, but there is a certain amount of justification based upon all the death threats that Rand Paul has received.
LOL
so, just to throw it out there, Paul, descending from the Randian school of political discourse, should believe that only the state has the right to initiate the use of force against people, and we give up this right in order to live in a free society
those people who assaulted her can't consider themselves libertarian in that regard /shrug
also, what sym and rob said, and this is like saying the "don't tase me bro" kid actually posed a real threat to Kerry. You Americans are so crazy with your paranoia. EVERYONE is an ASSASSIN!!!
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So, wait when a woman nearly dies at a Rand Paul rally the only real victim is Rand Paul? I obviously need to start beating more people half to death.That would only make matter if she was aiming a fake gun at him as a political stunt.
It was a risk the woman took on your own. She did not have to start this. If you hit a hornet’s net, you will get stung. You are acting like this woman was just a passer by, and had nothing to do with anything. Stop for a moment and think about how stupid you are sounding.
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL. It's called excessive use of force. You can clearly she she's trying to cover herself and not in any fashion threatening anyone around her, yet the rabid tea-baggers continue to grab, stomp and rip at her.1st amendment be damned when tea-baggers are about.
Are you talking about definition #3 or #4 of tea bagger?
These people were supporters of a controversial politician who has received death threats. I am not excusing their violence, but simply explaining that this is what people will get for doing a political stunt. She is lucky to be alive.
Originally posted by inimalist
LOLso, just to throw it out there, Paul, descending from the Randian school of political discourse, should believe that only the state has the right to initiate the use of force against people, and we give up this right in order to live in a free society
those people who assaulted her can't consider themselves libertarian in that regard /shrug
also, what sym and rob said, and this is like saying the "don't tase me bro" kid actually posed a real threat to Kerry. You Americans are so crazy with your paranoia. EVERYONE is an ASSASSIN!!!
Again you are using hind-site. This woman could have killed Rand Paul. I’m sure you, and others like you, would consider that a good thing and the supporters of Rand Paul know that.
Let the woman sue those who attacked her. I have a feeling that the case will not go in her favor.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Again you are using hind-site. This woman could have killed Rand Paul. I’m sure you, and others like you, would consider that a good thing and the supporters of Rand Paul know that.Let the woman sue those who attacked her. I have a feeling that the case will not go in her favor.
you have literally given me carte blanche to attack anyone who approaches me on the street, simply because I can't discount the possibility that they might mug me
wait, because I don't support the rights of a mob to assault someone, i want a person to die?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Are you talking about definition #3 or #4 of tea bagger?These people were supporters of a controversial politician who has received death threats. I am not excusing their violence, but simply explaining that this is what people will get for doing a political stunt. She is lucky to be alive.
Not aware of different definitions, but as we can see and have seen, the "teabag" party has a tendency to attract rabid loons.
Unless I read you wrong, you had previously implied that the woman wasn't the victim, Rand Paul was.
I'm not blaming Rand Paul, as he can't control what lunatics latch onto his scrotum, but if the man had any class, he would have with 48hrs of said attack publicly apologized to the woman for the actions of the people who did said crimes under his name and denounced the attack. Also made an effort to have those people arrested, eg the white tennis-shoe stomper. Did he do anything of the sort?
Originally posted by inimalist
you have literally given me carte blanche to attack anyone who approaches me on the street, simply because I can't discount the possibility that they might mug mewait, because I don't support the rights of a mob to assault someone, i want a person to die?
I have done no such thing. If you think I have, then you are a fool.
If you a controversial politician who has had multiple death threat, then should you allow anyone to approach you without security?
I have a feeling if this had been anyone else, like a Democrat, you would have a different point of view.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It was a risk the woman took on your own. She did not have to start this. If you hit a hornet’s net, you will get stung. You are acting like this woman was just a passer by, and had nothing to do with anything. Stop for a moment and think about how stupid you are sounding.
So we should tolerate mob violence? I don't see where you're going with this. Humans are not hornets, humans have reason. And honestly if a nest of hornets nearly killed someone I'm pretty sure the fire department would be sent out to get rid of it.
And how did she bring this on herself? She had something to say to Rand Paul (you suggest a parodic award) and tried to approach him. That does sound like the sort of thing you enter into with the for thought that a mob of people might try to beat you to death.
Originally posted by Robtard
Not aware of different definitions, but as we can see and have seen, the "teabag" party has a tendency to attract rabid loons.
And extremist liberals can be just as dangerous.
Originally posted by Robtard
Unless I read you wrong, you had previously implied that the woman wasn't the victim, Rand Paul was.
Assigning victim is hind-sit. At the time the woman approached Rand Paul, he was the potential victim. Round Paul was not doing something to the woman, but the woman was intending to cause Rand Paul political harm. She payed the price, and if she believes in her cause enough, then she should be proud. That is why I say Rand Paul was the victim. The woman started all of this, and she payed the price. She does not deserve victim status from my point of view.
As far as the supporters, they over did it, but all mobs are the same rather they be left or right.
Originally posted by Robtard
I'm not blaming Rand Paul, as he can't control what lunatics latch onto his scrotum, but if the man had any class, he would have with 48hrs of said attack publicly apologized to the woman for the actions of the people who did said crimes under his name and denounced the attack.
Do you think the woman would have apologized for trying to politically embarrass Rand Paul? It would be a beautiful world if they both apologized.
These kind of stupid stunts fall into the category of dirty politics, and I have very little sympathy for people who participate, and that includes Rand Paul.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't understand why some people like to pretend to not favor one side of the argument when they clearly do when they discuss things. As if not favoring one side makes you magically objective on everything.
Because people are taught that there is no difference between neutrality and objectivity. In America, at least, it's ingrained into the culture so much that the media gives equal weight to medical researchers and random celebrities (because failing to show "both sides" would be seen as suggesting bias by the reporter).
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I have done no such thing. If you think I have, then you are a fool.
you have said, it is ok to attack someone if you can't dismiss the possibility they might attack you, or in this case, someone else
why then, would I not be allowed to attack someone for whom I can't dismiss the possibility that they will attack me. I'm acting in as much self-defense as these people are
spell it out for me, make me look like a fool
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If you a controversial politician who has had multiple death threat, then should you allow anyone to approach you without security?
they weren't security. We aren't talking about a rational response from security personelle, or even police over-reaction. We are talking mob brutality here
also, politicans don't deserve different treatment than regular citizens. Because they are public figures does not give them the right to attack people, or have mobs attack people, or however the proper analogy to this situation would be worded (though, this points out how silly you are to locate any of this with the politician themselves, as it was a mob who attacked a woman, not the politician [which would be a better self-defense argument])
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I have a feeling if this had been anyone else, like a Democrat, you would have a different point of view.
I initially thought the politician was RON Paul, someone who I support over any democratic nominee I've seen, ever. In fact, as far as American politics go, I line right up with Ron Paul, so if there is anyone I'd not want to see killed, it would be him
so, that fails. Not to mention, I brought up the don't tase me bro issue, which involved John Kerry.
don't be ****ing dense. Man, Americans again, everything is democrat or republican...
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So we should tolerate mob violence? I don't see where you're going with this. Humans are not hornets, humans have reason. And honestly if a nest of hornets nearly killed someone I'm pretty sure the fire department would be sent out to get rid of it.And how did she bring this on herself? She had something to say to Rand Paul (you suggest a parodic award) and tried to approach him. That does sound like the sort of thing you enter into with the for thought that a mob of people might try to beat you to death.
I was told she was going to give Rand Paul a bogus award that would have been politically embarrassing? Very much in the same spirit as those who used pies to embarrass people in the past. If this is not correct (and I wasn't there) then I would change my point of view. As far as I know, the woman started it.