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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I thought you (or someone else) were claiming she was doing Civil Disobedience.

I'm not talking about illegal or not. It is legal to call a black man the N word, and it would fall under the 1st Amendment, but it would be wrong.

No, I've stood by the 'she was doing nothing wrong; what she did is directly protected under the 1st Amendment', I'm that guy.

Agreed, I think unwarranted insults are wrong. What does that have to do with her peacefully protesting (ie doing nothing wrong) and getting stomped by a mob?

Edit: cutting to the chase, you're implying that calling a negro a "n!gger" is no different than protesting Rand Paul/A Politician, and if someone called a negro a "******" and said negro put the beat-down on said insulter, you'd find blame on both parties. I don't see you could logically compare the two though.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If you get me, then why would you say that? Being in the vicinity of Rand Paul is not wrong.

That's all she really did. No protesting even took place on her part. But you still seem to think she was the aggressor or should be blamed for what happened to her rather than blame the violent people who beat her.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
She put herself there doing something she knew would get her in trouble (not legal trouble; trouble with people). She took the risk. Maybe she thought she could change the outcome of the election, or maybe it was because of hate, I don't know.

But she didn't even do anything. They beat the crap out of her before she could. Wanting to peacefully protest is not wrong (except to you apparently) and even if it were it would be many orders of magnitude less wrong then beating the crap out of someone. When you are beaten for not doing anything you are a victim, to deny that would require you to redefine the word (or be incredibly stupid).

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I still would not call her a victim.

Is there any circumstance where you would call the victim of violent crime a victim?

Originally posted by Robtard
No, I've stood by the 'she was doing nothing wrong; what she did is directly protected under the 1st Amendment', I'm that guy.

Agreed, I think unwarranted insults are wrong. What does that have to do with her peacefully protesting (ie doing nothing wrong) and getting stomped by a mob?

So, if she was not going to insult Rand Paul, then what was the point in the fake award? I think it was an insult, and I think it is equal to the N word. Should she have been hurt for that? No. Should they have stepped on her? No. However, she is not snow white, and this is not a black and white 50's TV show. She shares part of the blame, and payed the price.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's all she really did. No protesting even took place on her part...

What about the fake award?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, if she was not going to insult Rand Paul, then what was the point in the fake award? I think it was an insult, and I think it is equal to the N word. Should she have been hurt for that? No. Should they have stepped on her? No. However, she is not snow white, and this is not a black and white 50's TV show. She shares part of the blame, and payed the price.

The difference, dude, the difference is that Rand Paul is a politician; and criticism from the masses comes along with the job title.

Being black doesn't (at least it shouldn't) come along with that baggage.

Please answer, if you were in a liberal bar and said out loud "I think Obama is a socialist who's ruining America!" and some rampant Obamite smashed a bottle over your head, would you consider yourself to blame in part for having had you head smashed? Would you consider yourself a victim?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What about the fake award?

The one that she never got a chance to present?

You know what, I'm just going to ask you think point blank. No dancing around it: Do you think the mob reacted appropriately?

The award was as follows - "The woman, Lauren Valle, tried to give Paul a fake Employee of the Month award for an organization MoveOn created that connects the GOP and business."

http://www.mediaite.com/online/rand-paul-supporter-stomps-on-head-of-female-moveon-rep-in-pre-debate-scuffle/

Yep, clearly the same as racism.

Originally posted by Robtard
The difference, dude, the difference is that Rand Paul is a politician; and criticism from the masses comes along with the job title.

Being black doesn't (at least it shouldn't) come along with that baggage.

Please answer, if you were in a liberal bar and said out loud "I think Obama is a socialist who's ruining America!" and some rampant Obamite smashed a bottle over your head, would you consider yourself to blame in part for having had you head smashed? Would you consider yourself a victim?

We already said that Rand Paul is not to blame for this.

Your question: Yes I would be partly to blame. I am responsible for all things in my life.

Do you think the mob reacted appropriately?

No. I have said this over and over again. Why have you not been able to get that?

this thread is like a dali painting

or maybe "Kafkaesque"

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
We already said that Rand Paul is not to blame for this.

Your question: Yes I would be partly to blame. I am responsible for all things in my life.

Yes. Not sure where you get that I'm blaming Rand Paul.

So you do have a "blame the victim too" mentality. Woman gets raped for walking at night in a questionable part of town, she's to blame in part.

Perhaps he means "is to blame" more in the meaning of "is the cause of".

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, if she was not going to insult Rand Paul, then what was the point in the fake award? I think it was an insult, and I think it is equal to the N word. Should she have been hurt for that? No. Should they have stepped on her? No. However, she is not snow white, and this is not a black and white 50's TV show. She shares part of the blame, and payed the price.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes. Not sure where you get that I'm blaming Rand Paul.

So you do have a "blame the victim too" mentality. Woman gets raped for walking at night in a questionable part of town, she's to blame in part.

I don't know what you mean by "blame the victim too" mentality. Please explain.

Sad day for USA...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't know what you mean by "blame the victim too" mentality. Please explain.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't know what you mean by "blame the victim too" mentality. Please explain.

Applying your view of 'we're responsible for all that happens to us in life' mentality:

-Woman at Rand Paul rally is to blame in part for being stomped because she put herself in the rally and protested.

-You'd be to blame in part for having your head smashed because you put yourself in a bar and voiced an opinion about the sitting president.

-Women is to blame in part for being raped because she decided to walk down the street at night in a questionable part of town.

What's the one common thing the rally-women, you in the fictional scenario and the women in the fictional scenario all have in common? You're all three the victims, yet are to blame in part for the crime/harm that was done to you. I.E. 'blame the victim too.'

Originally posted by Robtard
Applying your view of 'we're responsible for all that happens to us in life' mentality:

-Woman at Rand Paul rally is to blame in part for being stomped because she put herself in the rally and protested.

-You'd be to blame in part for having your head smashed because you put yourself in a bar and voiced an opinion about the sitting president.

-Women is to blame in part for being raped because she decided to walk down the street at night in a questionable part of town.

What's the one common thing the rally-women, you in the fictional scenario and the women in the fictional scenario all have in common? You're all three the victims, yet are to blame in part for the crime/harm that was done to you. I.E. 'blame the victim too.'

What do you mean by victim?

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
"Woman gets raped for walking at night in a questionable part of town, she's to blame in part."

Blame for what?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What do you mean by victim?

A person who's had a crime committed against them.

I don't know the law. To me, victim is a state of mind, and not a good one.

Let me speak to the only one I can: the one involving me.

To a police officer filling out a report, I would be the victim. However, I am never a victim. Everything that is happening to me is a product of all the things I have done. Walking into the bar, and saying what I said; I am not a victim for those things. Lets say I had too many beers, and that is why I couldn’t keep my mouth shut. That too is my responsibility, and I am not a victim. The guy hits me over the head. That is a product of my Karma, and again, I am not a victim. Even though, the police will say I am a victim, I will never be the victim.

Was changes brought against the people in the video?