Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I'm also waiting on Uriel005 to pop up soon. LOL.
Hey I was just playing a devils advocate I did say that Manhattan was probably going to lose just that with his power set depending on how could would be flushed out could pull quite a few wins. I also said he is a bad character to use in a forum fight as his feat list is like 2 lines worth of type and there was no one to ever challenge him to make him need to be stronger. I also said most of his limitations were based on the lie of Ozzymandius by blocking his vision of the future. That said I do believe HE takes most of the fights and Manhattan as he is taking maybe 1 or 2.
1)Manhattan didn't elevate his level it was a complete derp derp accident. HE takes this one with ease
2) John has 1 comic book series that amounts to about a 1 day read. HE goes back how far... of course he's gonna develop more and better tech as well as needing to in order to combat opponents of relatively high caliber whereas John had not a single thing on earth that could threaten or depower him.
3) Moot point we'll never know Manhattan's potential because he had no reason to explore it. HE I guess.
4) Manhattan if he was in HE's place. He would see all the experience he would ever have in combat and therefore would be able to see the outcomes. If knowing the outcome of any action you take isn't smarts I'm not sure what is. However as is HE is smarter beacuase he has every reason to keep improving himself whereas Manhattan as it stands is essentially a god in his universe.
Originally posted by Starscream M
based on what? we were never shown the limits of Dr. M, and from what we do see...he was approaching near omnipotence...or as near as you get in a comic without transcending skyfather level
I don't think Jon Osterman did anything that transcended High Herald personally.
Originally posted by Omega Visionoh gimme a damn break...your analogy is horrible
We were also never shown the limits of Tom Bombadil in Lord of the Rings, that doesn't mean an LOTR fanboy would be right if he said he's God.I don't think Jon Osterman did anything that transcended High Herald personally.
tom baombadil (whoever that is) didn't do shit in LOTR...Dr.M showed godlike abilities
teleportation
matter manipulation
matter disassembly and assembly level powers
invincibility
what exactly does HE trump Dr. M in and what are you basing it on?
Originally posted by Omega VisionThis.
Dr Manhattan is a much more interesting character. That said HE wins in every category.
Originally posted by Omega VisionI can see him beating high heralds.
We were also never shown the limits of Tom Bombadil in Lord of the Rings, that doesn't mean an LOTR fanboy would be right if he said he's God.I don't think Jon Osterman did anything that transcended High Herald personally.
Like superman,adam.
But no to any energy manipulators like BB,Thor,Surfer.
Originally posted by Starscream M
oh gimme a damn break...your analogy is horribletom baombadil (whoever that is) didn't do shit in LOTR...Dr.M showed godlike abilities
teleportation
matter manipulation
matter disassembly and assembly level powers
invincibility
what exactly does HE trump Dr. M in and what are you basing it on?
That's essentially the argument I've seen (and once advanced myself when I first joined this forum) used to elevate DM beyond the Herald tier where he belongs despite not having the feats to support it.
My response to those DM powers you've listed is the same as your response would be to the feats of Tom Bombadil:
"So what?"