Pai Mei vs. Li Mu Bai

Originally posted by Riot-Gear
And something that might be useful if Pai was fast enough to land a solid blow, which he's not.

Pai Mei will punch Li and nothing Li can do will stop the pain.

Originally posted by Riot-Gear
I don't recall a conversation about Pai's age nor a battle with Shao Lin monks in "Kill Bill".

In other words, not they don't add anything. Because they didn't happen.

Here is a wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bak_Mei ENJOY 😄

Wasn't one of them like running up trees and shit?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Wasn't one of them like running up trees and shit?

You mean floating.
The argument is H2H melee speed and strength.
I have no idea how they float in slow mo the way they do. Ki Telekinesis?
The Force?

Originally posted by the ninjak
You mean floating.
The argument is H2H melee speed and strength.
I have no idea how they float in slow mo the way they do. Ki Telekinesis?
The Force?

😆 Harry Potter needed more asians in it. Cool Chinese magic like in Big Trouble little China.

Dude we should do a BTiLC VS Harry Potter thread.

Nah Hogwarts would win.

Rape even.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Your whole Pai Mei aint fast enough to touch Li in H2H is utter bull.
Li showed no super speed feats. They float through the air. And his fight feats were all in the human spectrum.

Do understand the speed would be required to run across the surface of water? or the strength required to jump up a twenty foot tree, but even if we for some, inane blamed it on "magic spells", reason ignore that. We still have Mu Bai blocking repeated blow dart shots at the end of the movie. A reaction feat far and way better then anything Pai Mei displayed.

Truth is Pai Mei has very few feats.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Pai Mei will punch Li and nothing Li can do will stop the pain.
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Yeah 'cause Mu Bai is going to stand their and let him? Mu Bai is faster and more agile their is no reason to think Pai Mei is going to be landing super killing blows, if blows at all.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Bill says nobody knows how old Pai Mei is. But IT'S PAI MEI!!!!!!!!

Here is a wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bak_Mei ENJOY 😄 [/B]

So according to "Kill Bill" , from which the version of Pai Mei in use comes from. Nobody knows how old he is, he could be hundreds of years old or 60 years old for all we know.

So their goes the hundreds of years old argument. As for the link it means nothing in this case as the OP for this thread specifies Pai Mei from "Kill Bill" so none of his feats from other incarnations matter.

In other words Pai Mei is still not fast enough or agile enough to hang with Mu Bai or Jen or for that matter probably Shu Lien or Jade Fox.

What is floating around going to do in a H2H match? Pai Mei will just stand there and watch and wait till Li got serious and started to exchange blows.

Yeah, going with the Li Mu here.

This thread should have been Pai Mei VS Li Mu Bai.

Not Li Mu Bai VS Pai Mei (in a film with 1 feat!)

So I'm going to have to humbly concede due to lame OP. I've got studying to do.

I would like to stress though that the way they float around an go up trees has nothing to do with speed and strength. It's obviously mystical in nature the way they move. Li Mu Bai didn't display the strength and speed necessary to actually perform such feats.
CTHD was a visual poem chick flick.

Pai Mei is the most notorious, brutal anti-villain in chinese history responsible for the downfall of Ancient Shao Lin Temples so you can understand the FU attitude on my end.

I revoke my conceding Pai Mei wins via 5 finger exploding heart technique.

1.Kill Bill starts with the Shaw Bros logo signifying that this film is Shaw Bros canon.
2.Also whenever there was a scene with Pai Mei the film stock become the same as the old films.
3.Bill states that nobody knows how old Pei is to recognise the time gap.

Catching darts is nothing special specially since that's how Li Mu dies.
Li Mu showed no H2H speed or strength feats. Just magical floating feats. And sword feats.
Pai Mei can punch through a massive hardwood slab like paper.
Plus is a master of nerve strikes that can make your heart explode.
I wont count his other film feats because of the rules but he still wins a H2H fight with glee.

A swordfight is a different matter and quite frankly stupid considering the length of his appearances.

Both died from poison, yeah?

Originally posted by the ninjak

I would like to stress though that the way they float around an go up trees has nothing to do with speed and strength. It's obviously mystical in nature the way they move. Li Mu Bai didn't display the strength and speed necessary to actually perform such feats.
CTHD was a visual poem chick flick.

What are you talking about. The very fact that he performs such feats shows he has the speed and strength to do so. Nothing in the piece suggests that said feats are mystical in nature. Rather it is heavily suggested that what he and other can do is because of training, skill, speed, strength, balance etc.

To claim that he simply has a magic levitation powers to avoid his obvious speed, skill, and strength is like me trying to claim that Pai Mei has anti-wood powers allowing him to punch through wood, but nothing else.

Originally posted by the ninjak
I revoke my conceding Pai Mei wins via 5 finger exploding heart technique.

1.Kill Bill starts with the Shaw Bros logo signifying that this film is Shaw Bros canon.
2.Also whenever there was a scene with Pai Mei the film stock become the same as the old films.
3.Bill states that nobody knows how old Pei is to recognise the time gap.

Regardless the OP specifies "Kill Bill". The attempts to draw from other films is a cop out. You have more or less said as much yourself.

Originally posted by the ninjak

Catching darts is nothing special specially since that's how Li Mu dies.
Li Mu showed no H2H speed or strength feats. Just magical floating feats. And sword feats.

Mu Bai may have died from the darts, but that in no way negates the number that he blocked and avoided. Once again displaying reaction time far outside of what Pai Mei was shown to be able to do.

Once again it's not magical floating, it's speed, skill, and strength. Just like Pai Mei doesn't have magical wood breaking powers, but rather skill and strength.

Originally posted by the ninjak

Pai Mei can punch through a massive hardwood slab like paper.
Plus is a master of nerve strikes that can make your heart explode.
I wont count his other film feats because of the rules but he still wins a H2H fight with glee.

Boards don't hit back nor do they evade. With his agility and speed edge. Pai Mei is never going to land a solid hit or finish the five point palm strike or what ever.

Dude they float. the film was a beautiful artpiece. To assume that it was strength and speed that allowed them to tap the water and float in the air is ludicrous. I just asked the girl next to me if she believed their feats were strength or magic and she just said.

"Neither they were just being wankers!" LOL.

Exactly... the fact that you believe he wins this fight simply because half the characters could float and magnetically attach themselves to branches doesn't cut it against a guy who "once again" can punch through an enormous piece of hardwood like paper.

One defies reality with his feet. The other with his fists.
Fists guy wins H2H.

I even asked the girl who would win in a fist fight and she just cut me off and said "The Kill Bill guy kicks his pansy ass" ......classic.

Originally posted by Riot-Gear
Boards don't hit back nor do they evade. With his agility and speed edge. Pai Mei is never going to land a solid hit or finish the five point palm strike or what ever.

He can't evade forever he's gonna have to exchange blows sooner or later.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Both died from poison, yeah?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Both died from poison, yeah?

Li Mu Bai by simple distraction and execution.

Pai Mei from dinner.

Since I'm not a HUGE martial arts film buff, I never knew that there was another Pei Mei from a different film. Had I known, I would have made a different OP.

S'all good.

I'll give the sword fight to Li.

H2H to Pai.

That way we all win 😄

Originally posted by the ninjak

Exactly... the fact that you believe he wins this fight simply because half the characters could float and magnetically attach themselves to branches doesn't cut it against a guy who "once again" can punch through an enormous piece of hardwood like paper.

Of course it does. As Mu Bai is not made out of wood and their for Pai Mei's magical wood breaking spells will not work on him.

On the other hand Pai Mei like all humans has large amounts of water in him so Mu Bai can walk all over him. 🙂

In other words STOP trying to write off Mu Bai's feats to make Pai Mei look better. The stance that Mu Bai is not faster or more agile is both ridiculous and not supported by feats.

Once again attempting to write them off as "floating" or "Magic Spells" is a cop out and no more valid then claiming that based on feats Pai Mei has a special board busting power, but can not apply same power/effect to hitting people.

Originally posted by the ninjak

He can't evade forever he's gonna have to exchange blows sooner or later.

Between the dart blocking feat and casual evading Jen Yu at different times. I see no reason why he couldn't evade.. At least until Pai Mei is sufficiently tired to be put on the proverbial mat.