Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The Hulk has also taken far worse than that for ages, far, far worse.
Doesn't work like that. In comics martial arts are a subsititute for powers. A brick can take millions of tons of force but in comics if you're trained well enough you can do it. This has been done time and time again.
Originally posted by DeadlineAccording to common sense. So we're to believe that Steve can oneshot anyone who has below Hulk's durability? Like CM said, Hulk has taken attacks 1000x powerful than Steve's punch and wasn't even hurt that bad, let alone koed. As for THIS forum, Spider-man with his class 10 strength KOing a holding back Firelord with 1000 punches and after dropping a building on his head is an example of PIS on KMC, yet Cap koing Hulk shouldnt count as that? Its PIS and should never be used as an example on vs forum, Cap isnt even oneshotting Daredevil, Punisher or Batman, let alone Hulk.
According to who? Do you dictate whats PIS on this forum? Its not PIS because hes been doing stuff like that for ages.
Originally posted by SamZED
According to common sense. So we're to believe that Steve can oneshot anyone who has below Hulk's durability? Like CM said, Hulk has taken attacks 1000x powerful than Steve's punch and wasn't even hurt that bad, let alone koed. As for THIS forum, Spider-man with his class 10 strength KOing a holding back Firelord with 1000 punches and after dropping a building on his head is an example of PIS on KMC, yet Cap koing Hulk shouldnt count as that? Its PIS and should never be used as an example on vs forum, Cap isnt even oneshotting Daredevil, Punisher or Batman, let alone Hulk.
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Sam you're silly. Spider-Man ko'ing Firelord is PIS because he hasn't taken a karate class.
Originally posted by SamZEDMartial Arts aren't superpowers unless you're like Iron Fist or Akuma and you actually do "super" stuff it. The non-meta's might have some neat feats, but it's not a superpower at all. Common sense and logic applies to all debates. Are we going to say that Cap can out-react the Flash in a fight now? People are using crossover matches to determine the outcome despite one's history. That's just jobbing. It's the same thing with some... other characters. The opponent's history doesn't matter because their character did something in a crossover fight.
According to common sense. So we're to believe that Steve can oneshot anyone who has below Hulk's durability? Like CM said, Hulk has taken attacks 1000x powerful than Steve's punch and wasn't even hurt that bad, let alone koed. As for THIS forum, Spider-man with his class 10 strength KOing a holding back Firelord with 1000 punches and after dropping a building on his head is an example of PIS on KMC, yet Cap koing Hulk shouldnt count as that? Its PIS and should never be used as an example on vs forum, Cap isnt even oneshotting Daredevil, Punisher or Batman, let alone Hulk.
Originally posted by SamZED
According to common sense. So we're to believe that Steve can oneshot anyone who has below Hulk's durability?
Showings in comics arent 100% consistent thats why one somedays certain characters can do insane feats and others can't that doesnt mean they can do it all the time.
Originally posted by SamZED
Like CM said, Hulk has taken attacks 1000x powerful than Steve's punch and wasn't even hurt that bad, let alone koed.
Its a comicbook in comicbooks the impossibilie can happen. You don't decide what makes sense and what doesn't make sense in a reality full of impossibilities. You have to look at the context of the universe and in this universe it possible.
Originally posted by SamZED
As for THIS forum, Spider-man with his class 10 strength KOing a holding back Firelord with 1000 punches and after dropping a building on his head is an example of PIS on KMC,
No isn't Firelord was tired.
Originally posted by SamZEDyet Cap koing Hulk shouldnt count as that? Its PIS and should never be used as an example on vs forum, Cap isnt even oneshotting Daredevil, Punisher or Batman, let alone Hulk.
Those characters are alot more skillful and I never argued he could one shot hulk.
Originally posted by DeadlineSo then logic doesn't matter in a debate. Well that's not even good trolling Deadline. You can do better than that. It isn't even your A material. You aren't trying anymore.
Showings in comics arent 100% consistent thats why one somedays certain characters can do insane feats and others can't that doesnt mean they can do it all the time.Its a comicbook in comicbooks the impossibilie can happen. You don't decide what makes sense and what doesn't make sense in a reality full of impossibilities. You have to look at the context of the universe and in this universe it possible.
No isn't Firelord was tired.
Those characters are alot more skillful and I never argued he could one shot hulk.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Martial Arts aren't superpowers unless you're like Iron Fist or Akuma and you actually do "super" stuff it.
Didnt say they were superpowers and said they are like superpowers eg Bullseyes talent.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The non-meta's might have some neat feats, but it's not a superpower at all. Common sense and logic applies to all debates.
You also said you could dodge bullets obvoulsy you get to dictate whats common sense.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Are we going to say that Cap can out-react the Flash in a fight now? People are using crossover matches to determine the outcome despite one's history. That's just jobbing. It's the same thing with some... other characters. The opponent's history doesn't matter because their character did something in a crossover fight.
Faulty logic. Cap has never outreacted Flash and I'm not using examples from crossovers. Canon feats are used on this forum and thats what im using.
Originally posted by Deadline
Showings in comics arent 100% consistent thats why one somedays certain characters can do insane feats and others can't that doesnt mean they can do it all the time.
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Originally posted by Deadline
a comicbook in comicbooks the impossibilie can happen. You don't decide what makes sense and what doesn't make sense in a reality full of impossibilities. You have to look at the context of the universe and in this universe it possible.
Originally posted by Deadline
isn't Firelord was tired.
Originally posted by DeadlineAim dodging bullets, but bullets job.
Didnt say they were superpowers and said they are like superpowers eg Bullseyes talent.You also said you could dodge bullets obvoulsy you get to dictate whats common sense.
Faulty logic. Cap has never outreacted Flash and I'm not using examples from crossovers. Canon feats are used on this forum and thats what im using.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So then logic doesn't matter in a debate. Well that's not even good trolling Deadline. You can do better than that. It isn't even your A material. You aren't trying anymore.
Originally posted by DeadlineIts a comicbook in comicbooks the impossibilie can happen. You don't decide what makes sense and what doesn't make sense in a reality full of impossibilities. You have to look at the context of the universe and in this universe it possible.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Aim dodging bullets, but bullets job.
C'mon man, troll harder. I liked your old trolling better.
C-master you can't aim dodge bullets, ok?
Originally posted by DeadlineYes, doesnt mean it should be used as an argument in a vs forum. Spider-man koed Absorbing Man, yet you dont see me argue that he's gonna do that to Thing or Colossus. Or oneshot Luke Cage since he isnt as tough as AM.
Showings in comics arent 100% consistent thats why one somedays certain characters can do insane feats and others can't that doesnt mean they can do it all the time.
Originally posted by DeadlineI dont decide that. Anything is possible in comics world, yeah, but that doesnt mean we have to accept EVERY crazy thing that happens in books and use it as a debating argument on a vs forum as if its a norm or makes sense. We'd have threads like Luke Cage vs Superman and Thing vs Galactus because "anything is possible in comicbooks". In order to avoid that we still should use some kind of logic and follow some rules. And common sense suggests that Hulk who tanks punches from Juggernaut, Namor and Thor's hammer should not get kncoked out by Steve who is just an enhanced comicbook human.
Its a comicbook in comicbooks the impossibilie can happen. You don't decide what makes sense and what doesn't make sense in a reality full of impossibilities. You have to look at the context of the universe and in this universe it possible.
Originally posted by DeadlineHe was beaten, blown up twice, had a building fall on his head, was holding back and took a 1000 punches before getting KOed, yet in "Rules" its used as an example of PIS because he's a cosmic being that normally takes atacks from Silver Surfer.
No isn't Firelord was tired.
Originally posted by DeadlineIn that case I dont mind it happening in comics, just like I dont mind Black Panther threatening to rip Silver Surfer's arm off. But I dont see how it makes a difference on the forum vs Daredevil who is almost as strong and skilled as Steve.
Those characters are alot more skillful and I never argued he could one shot hulk.
Originally posted by SamZED
He was beaten, blown up twice, had a building fall on his head, was holding back and took a 1000 punches before getting KOed, yet in Ru;es its an example of PIS because he's a cosmic being that normally takes atacks from Silver Surfer.
Originally posted by DeadlineC'mon don't give me any trolling. Give me your best. I'm insulted by this.
C-master you can't aim dodge bullets, ok?
Silly... aim dodging means you dodge the person's aim. Which means you are faster than the person. An average person can do that. You're not dodging the bullet, simply moving out of the way of the person firing it.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
C'mon don't give me any trolling. Give me your best.Silly... aim dodging means you dodge the person's aim. Which means you are faster than the person. An average person can do that. You're not dodging the bullet, simply moving out of the way of the person firing it.
That is actually quite plausible in real life if the person is wielding a hand gun. It extremely hard to hit a moving target with a hand gun.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
C'mon don't give me any trolling. Give me your best.Silly... aim dodging means you dodge the person's aim. Which means you are faster than the person. An average person can do that. You're not dodging the bullet, simply moving out of the way of the person firing it.
I know but in your circumstance you would define that as running or GTFO. You wouldn't say that you can aim dodge.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganWell, at least they tried to exaplain FL's reasons and why he was holding back. Im not that familliar with his character and dont know if he should care about innocent people. But yeah, it'd never go like that on a forum, that's why noone ever seriously brings that up. Only for the lols.
I always wonder this, is it pis becuase Spiderman Koed him or because firelord fought like an idiot? because I honestly think it kinda legit that spiderman KO him, but I also understand that in forum fight that would not go down like that.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganYou can do that or move their hand out of the way while moving the other way. It's all the streets can do and low metas as well. Spider-Man can move with one coming at him if the distance is sufficient, but that's about it really. Not impossible at all really. Training lowers your reflex time. Not that I'm advertising anybody get in front of a hostile person with a gun.
That is actually quite plausible in real life if the person is wielding a hand gun. It extremely hard to hit a moving target with a hand gun.
That's just aim dodging, dodging the aim, not the bullet.