Daredevil vs. Captain America (No SSS)

Originally posted by SamZED
Well, at least they tried to exaplain FL's reasons and why he was holding back. Im not that familliar with his character and dont know if he should care about innocent people. But yeah, it'd never go like that on a forum, that's why noone ever seriously brings that up. Only for the lols.

Though I think the incident in consider pis, becuase the people are in the way of him using his full powers, which is a plot device. Asside from that, given firelord handicaps I really see no reason why spiderman should not have been capable of putting him down like that.

It could be more plot device than PIS. Although he can survive deep pressures in space...

compare this feat of firelord and then ask if it was remotely possible for Spidey to ko him.

http://img141.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-11611/loc35/79465_draxx2.jpg

Firelord would have to be depowered to ridicules levels for spiderman to ko him.

firelord respect link
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=438483&pagenumber=2

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I not very big on him either. I think he one of those characters, that some times is potray as a good guy and other times not so much.

Though I think the incident in consider pis, becuase the people are in the way of him using his full powers, which is a plot device. Asside from that, given firelord handicaps I really see no reason why spiderman should not have been capable of putting him down like that.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It could be more plot device than PIS. Although he can survive deep pressures in space...

true, but so has people like wolverine, and dropping a building on him and hitting him 1000 times, and he gunna go down.

not to say that wolverine = fire lord or anything like that, but jsut an example.

meh imo Loeb basically retconned all the fights with Hulk and Cap to basically be that Cap is capable of knocking out the Hulk. Which is why we see Cap making the Hulk his ***** consistently now.
Not like I agree with it but I think it should be considered a very very high showing for him and a low showing for the Hulk rather than any type of PIS. I mean this is the guy who throws a shield so hard it cuts through all different types of metals and allows.

Originally posted by King Castle
compare this feat of firelord and then ask if it was remotely possible for Spidey to ko him.

http://img141.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-11611/loc35/79465_draxx2.jpg

again not sayign wolverine = firelord by any means, but simply an example

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I think PIS sometimes also pertains to plot devices. Because it in it most general senses is plot induced stupidity which plot device can be just that in same cases.

true, but so has people like wolverine, and dropping a building on him and hitting him 1000 times, and he gunna go down.

not to say that wolverine = fire lord or anything like that, but jsut an example.

Loeb has not reconnt any such thing, how did you even come to that type of conclusion?

Originally posted by King Castle
compare this feat of firelord and then ask if it was remotely possible for Spidey to ko him.

http://img141.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-11611/loc35/79465_draxx2.jpg

Firelord would have to be depowered to ridicules levels for spiderman to ko him.

firelord respect link
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=438483&pagenumber=2

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
A plot device progresses a story. Batman finding a "tool" to win would be an example of that. PIS is something like Flash being nailed by stupid crap to give the opponents a chance so there *is* a story.

It pretty much the same thing in many cases. PIS is used often in order to move a plot. Such as having colossus, omega red, and wolverine for example being KO by great falls. It plot induced stupidity in order to further the plot. Many cases a plot device can be consider plot induced stupidity.

I don't think it so black and white, I think plot devices in some cases and PIS fall into a grey area.

They can mix. But PIS is absolutely invalid, a plot device could be depending on the stip. But since most fights are "straight up" it won't matter anyways.

Flash getting tripped by Batman is PIS, but Batman finding a freezegun to take out Clayface is a plot device.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He did good against Titinia and SS. 😖hifty:

i dont use them in forum fights normally in this forum.

But, Titania was an emotional wreck sure makes spidey a big man to beat up on her during the Secret War thing...

what will he do next beat a house wife 😠

plus, not sure if she was full on 100 tonner i keep thinking at the time she should have bn 75 tonner still too durable for spidey to beat her down with a blitz punch attack probably numbering under ten strikes.

the SS fight if i recall Spidey had DD for support and SS just got tired of them and entrapped them in a cosmic harden cocoon.

Spider-Man actually has a ton of good showings against people way "above" him in tiers. Is it PIS anymore since he has done it numerous times?

A plot device and PIS are two completely different things. There happening a water tower / tank / valve / whatever around every time Spider-man fights Sandman is a plot device. Spider-man beating Sandman because of a plot device isn't PIS, PIS is when Venom bites Sandman's arm of and he almost dies... just because.

Lol srank is so funny. I love his posts.

Originally posted by marwash22
once again, no non-meta character is beating DD or Spidey. Please stop making threads like this.