Originally posted by 753
meh, Karnak eventually delivers a blow that destroys him, and it shouldn't take too long either.
Not going to happen. Gorgon doesn't have superhuman durability, that Karnak can bypass with his ability. His weak spots are the same as any human, and his healing factor and off the charts zombie damage soak make those weakness irrelevant. Nothing Karnak can do that will slow him down.
Originally posted by 753
meh, Karnak eventually delivers a blow that destroys him, and it shouldn't take too long either.
Karnak would get blitz before he even get the chance to pull off a famous move. How can karnak beat someone that is faster, stronger, more, durable, and a better fighter. Gorgon is better than him in every category.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Karnak's ability is to see a weakness instantly, but against someone with human anatomy and relatively human durability it is a nearly useless ability. Karnak would know what Mantis' weaknesses are before he even fought her, hell Batman or Cap or DD or any street level MA would know, they are the weakness of human anatomy that every human has. Pressure points, joints, neck, arm pits, nose, eyes ect ect ect. She doesn't have a magic destruct button.
We seem to have different understandings/interpretations with Karnak's abilities. From what I know, he doesn't only sense PHYSICAL durability weaknesses. His abilities go much further than that. For fighting human's, he can sense weaknesses like: bum knee, poor eyesight, weak elbow, old ankle injuries, bad temper, etc. so there's little relevance of the "superhuman durability" comment.
For Gorgon's sake, I bet you it's going to be Gorgon's pride. Tho I doubt he'll ever have the chance.
Also, let's not forget that Karnak practices by smashing DIAMOND blocks in half. Weakness scanning or not, that's pretty impressive.
I do FIRMLY believe that Gorgon stomps Karnak but I don't think we should downplay Karnak's abilities.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin She didn't beat him, she hit him. She said Karnak was going to win the fight in six minutes, not that she was completely outclassed and he was going to get her ass kicked the whole time. If the fight had played out till its end Karnak would have beat her. [/B]
I actually have the comic. Sadly, I can't find it while I'm digging thru my stash. 🙁
IIRC, they fought, she commented on how he has the ability to sense weaknesses and then she took him down in one hit. I don't recall Karnak having any kind of significant appearance after that (I assumed he got KOd, pls correct me if I am wrong about my account, like I said, can't find the comic).
I dont know great amount of knowledge on Mantis, so I will hold my judgment, of the fight outcome.
However I think a lot of people don't know the extent of Gorgons powers. He posses low end superhuman strength, however he easily able to lift several tons I would say. He posses superhuman speed at least to the level of the speed of sound. He posses superhuman reflexes capable of of out reacting yo yo a speedstir, he also a master of martial arts and ninjistu. He also has the ability to turn anything he looks at to stone, and posses genius level intellect. He also posses a body that is dead, and has wolverine level healing factor. He also posses pretty powerful telepathy and a sword capable of killing gods.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
We seem to have different understandings/interpretations with Karnak's abilities. From what I know, he doesn't only sense PHYSICAL durability weaknesses. His abilities go much further than that. For fighting human's, he can sense weaknesses like: bum knee, poor eyesight, weak elbow, old ankle injuries, bad temper, etc. so there's little relevance of the "superhuman durability" comment.For Gorgon's sake, I bet you it's going to be Gorgon's pride. Tho I doubt he'll ever have the chance.
Also, let's not forget that Karnak practices by smashing DIAMOND blocks in half. Weakness scanning or not, that's pretty impressive.
I do FIRMLY believe that Gorgon stomps Karnak but I don't think we should downplay Karnak's abilities.
I actually have the comic. Sadly, I can't find it while I'm digging thru my stash. 🙁
IIRC, they fought, she commented on how he has the ability to sense weaknesses and then she took him down in one hit. I don't recall Karnak having any kind of significant appearance after that (I assumed he got KOd, pls correct me if I am wrong about my account, like I said, can't find the comic).
I have the comic aswell. I'll bookmark this page and post the scans as soon as I find it. I know she wtf pounded Karnak in one offensive move.
Originally posted by srankmissingninNo, karnak can sense the inherent fault in everything: the stress point that will allow him to break diamonds is just one application, he can sense psychological weaknesses, openings in fighting styles, the exact point you need to hit an arm to shatter the bone, physiological frailties, etc.
Not going to happen. Gorgon doesn't have superhuman durability, that Karnak can bypass with his ability. His weak spots are the same as any human, and his healing factor and off the charts zombie damage soak make those weakness irrelevant. Nothing Karnak can do that will slow him down.
Originally posted by carver9karnak has destroyed beings physically more powerfull than gorgon in a single blow. behemoths that could destroy a city included. as for gorgon's supposedly superior martial arts, I'm not impressed, he relies on his physical stats. karnak's esp should counter gorgon's physical superiority
Karnak would get blitz before he even get the chance to pull off a famous move. How can karnak beat someone that is faster, stronger, more, durable, and a better fighter. Gorgon is better than him in every category.
Originally posted by 753
karnak has destroyed beings physically more powerfull than gorgon in a single blow. behemoths that could destroy a city included. as for gorgon's supposedly superior martial arts, I'm not impressed, he relies on his physical stats. karnak's esp should counter gorgon's physical superiority
Hell I gladly debate wolverine vs karnak as well, becuase karnak aint even beat Logan let a lone gorgon.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
except his blade is made to kill gods, that the entire point of it creation........
except this isn't something special.
Wolverine's claws could kill Phobos as well and Mantis isn't a god anyway so I don't see why the blade makes a difference. His normal blade could be as effective
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganI have been talking h2h only since the first post, of course. Karnak has no defense against the stone stare, may end up being mindraped and the sword gives gorgon a reach and damage advantage, but yes, I think Karnak would take it in h2h.
you think so? I gladly debate this topic if you make a thread. because ypour vastly overrating karnak here.Hell I gladly debate wolverine vs karnak as well, becuase karnak aint even beat Logan let a lone gorgon.
Originally posted by 753
I have been talking h2h only since the first post, of course. Karnak has no defense against the stone stare, may end up being mindraped and the sword gives gorgon a reach and damage advantage, but yes, I think Karnak would take it in h2h.
Not only does gorgon have a reach advantage, he also have the durability advantage, fighting skills advantage, the gap in speed is ridiculous, and gorgon also have the strength advantage.
Its over kill.