what does Karnak have to do with it?
Mantis two shot him anyway.
I don't remember the last time she got hit to begin with. her precog makes her a hard target. strength? when has gorgon damaged someone like thor, the whole west cost avengers rosteror the phallanx? durability? she's living plant she can reform as long as there's vegetation around. add in this much higher telepathy, plant control, pyrokinisis and possibly telekinissis and there you go.
now if we are debating the celestial madona mantis, it's not even a fight
Originally posted by Warlord
what does Karnak have to do with it?
Mantis two shot him anyway.I don't remember the last time she got hit to begin with. her precog makes her a hard target. strength? when has gorgon damaged someone like thor, the whole west cost avengers rosteror the phallanx? durability? she's living plant she can reform as long as there's vegetation around. add in this much higher telepathy, plant control, pyrokinisis and possibly telekinissis and there you go.
now if we are debating the celestial madona mantis, it's not even a fight
So she can survive being chopped in half and I think gorgon tp could predict her movement as well.
Wolverine has damaged thor so what was the point of bringing that up? I also think gorgon could damage thor with his god slayer sword.
Originally posted by carver9
So she can survive being chopped in half and I think gorgon tp could predict her movement as well.Wolverine has damaged thor so what was the point of bringing that up? I also think gorgon could damage thor with his god slayer sword.
Yes IIRC she was able to reform via plant life in a Surfer book
the point is Wolverine damaged Thor with adamantium claws while mantis with her hands. meaning i don't see Gorgon's strength doing any difference when Mantis can damage seemingly invulnerable targets (see also phalanx)
as for him being able to predict her moves via tp. i highly doubt it. she has tp feats in Guardians of the Galaxy that put her well above gorgon's level.
Originally posted by Warlord
Yes IIRC she was able to reform via plant life in a Surfer bookthe point is Wolverine damaged Thor with adamantium claws while mantis with her hands. meaning i don't see Gorgon's strength doing any difference when Mantis can damage seemingly invulnerable targets (see also phalanx)
as for him being able to predict her moves via tp. i highly doubt it. she has tp feats in Guardians of the Galaxy that put her well above gorgon's level.
So this comes down to what I asked before... does she have a speed feat thqats convincing enough to prove that she could prevent gorgon from closing the gap immediately ending with her being decapitated?
Or do you have a speed feat showing that she will be able to pull off an attack before gorgon did his stone stare first (since he is a true speedster)?
If not... she is toast.
to begin with I'm certain she can shut him down.
gorgon is certainly not faster than thought. even if that was the case her speed along with precog makes her fast enough to block various projectiles or fight opponents with super speed. I doubt Gorgon's speed would be such a factor. it's not flash we're talking about after all
Originally posted by Warlord
to begin with I'm certain she can shut him down.
gorgon is certainly not faster than thought. even if that was the case her speed along with precog makes her fast enough to block various projectiles or fight opponents with super speed. I doubt Gorgon's speed would be such a factor. it's not flash we're talking about after all
This is a guy that covered at least a mile almost instantly and this is the same guy that out right blitzed a true speedster. Yeah, he is fast enough to rip her up before she got the chance to attack.
Originally posted by carver9Durabilty advantage? I'm skeptical, Karnak is the better fighter and can destroy the Gorgon's body with a well positioned blow.
Not only does gorgon have a reach advantage, he also have the durability advantage, fighting skills advantage, the gap in speed is ridiculous, and gorgon also have the strength advantage.Its over kill.
Originally posted by 753
Durabilty advantage? I'm skeptical, Karnak is the better fighter and can destroy the Gorgon's body with a well positioned blow.
Prove that karnak is a better fighter? Gorgon took on elektra who had a sword AND guns and she didn't land ONE lick on him and she got BLITZED like she was a insect to him. Then he took on shield agents that included both wolverine AND elektra and they got blitzed and stomped yet again.
So again, what makes karnak better than gorgon when we have 2 top tier fighters getting THRASHED by him easily in a melee confrontation?
Originally posted by 753
I have been talking h2h only since the first post, of course. Karnak has no defense against the stone stare, may end up being mindraped and the sword gives gorgon a reach and damage advantage, but yes, I think Karnak would take it in h2h.
Originally posted by Warlord
except this isn't something special.
Wolverine's claws could kill Phobos as well and Mantis isn't a god anyway so I don't see why the blade makes a difference. His normal blade could be as effective
some people killing cannon fodder aguardians is a far cry from the same thing as killing the god of fear which was my only point.
His sword is made to kill gods, it vastly more impressive then any standard sword. It be as effective or more effective then an adamatium sword. However I not certainly asside from durability if it actaully has any magical effects. I think it may prevent healing, but I could be mistaken.
Though what good that do to mantis I have no idea. I not even certain if he need anything beyond a normal sword to even hurt her.
Originally posted by carver9I guess that makes the hulk and the juggernaut the best fighters ever huh? gorgon relies on his stats, which mantis and to a lesser extent karnak can counter
Prove that karnak is a better fighter? Gorgon took on elektra who had a sword AND guns and she didn't land ONE lick on him and she got BLITZED like she was a insect to him. Then he took on shield agents that included both wolverine AND elektra and they got blitzed and stomped yet again.So again, what makes karnak better than gorgon when we have 2 top tier fighters getting THRASHED by him easily in a melee confrontation?
Originally posted by 753
I guess that makes the hulk and the juggernaut the best fighters ever huh? gorgon relies on his stats, which mantis and to a lesser extent karnak can counter
What are you taqlking about? Elektra couldn't even touch the guy, do you think karnak could do the same things? Wolerine and elektra along with some shield agents jumped him and all of them got blitzed.
He was trained by the hand ninja... he is a great fighter and marvel ranked him as an extraordinary fighter.
Originally posted by carver9the hand ninja are fodder. mantis took down thor with MA, gorgon relies on his stats not on his MA. and karnak is the best inhuman h2h martial artist
What are you taqlking about? Elektra couldn't even touch the guy, do you think karnak could do the same things? Wolerine and elektra along with some shield agents jumped him and all of them got blitzed.He was trained by the hand ninja... he is a great fighter and marvel ranked him as an extraordinary fighter.