Atheist Discrimination

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Atheist Discrimination

Have you ever been discriminated against for being an atheist? Have you ever seen someone get discriminated against for being an atheist?
I would like to know some of your stories on this matter. Im not saying or implying anything, i would just like to know.

The majority of atheists/"non-believers" are growing these days, but imo most people claim a religion and/or believe in (a) god.

Ive had people yell at me and tell me im going to hell, curse at me, and call me an idiot. I have a good friend that, once he found out i was an atheist, i just heard him talking about it to other people in dissapointment/utter shock. It just felt like he couldnt look at me the same.

Atheism is not a coherent group of people with common believes and experiences. Yet people call themselves atheists, and go on to an internet forum and complain about being discriminated against because they are atheists. Are you hopping to gain some insight from someone you have a common bond with? If that is the case, then maybe a common disbelief is good enough. Do you think that Atheism is your religion?

I might suggest that this discussion go here instead:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f80/t533188.html
...only because it will be under the relative safety of a "general" thread about atheism. Framed as it is, your thread here has the increased possibility of inciting backlash against your views or experiences.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Atheism is not a coherent group of people with common believes and experiences. Yet people call themselves atheists, and go on to an internet forum and complain about being discriminated against because they are atheists. Are you hopping to gain some insight from someone you have a common bond with? If that is the case, then maybe a common disbelief is good enough. Do you think that Atheism is your religion?

"Atheism" need not be a coherent group of people with identical beliefs to be discriminated against.

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I had hoped to address this topic fully some time ago in my thread, but have been busy, and pulling together sources and ideas often takes me more time than I would like. If this thread remains open, I will make it a point to post at some point.

not something I've ever encountered

EDIT: I'd also say that people disagreeing with you or saying you have "lost your way" or being disapointed is really not discrimination.

George H.W. Bush implied that atheists shouldn't be counted as americans.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Atheism is not a coherent group of people with common believes and experiences. Yet people call themselves atheists, and go on to an internet forum and complain about being discriminated against because they are atheists. Are you hopping to gain some insight from someone you have a common bond with? If that is the case, then maybe a common disbelief is good enough. Do you think that Atheism is your religion?

You know, for someone who claims they're fed up with all the "what counts as religion" semantics arguments, you sure do go out of your way to steer any topic you enter towards that issue.

I have some friends who are Atheist and I don't say anything to them about who they are.If it comes up I just say I don't argee with what you are but I am still your friend no matter what.

I've seen it before. It usually is holier than thou jerks talking down to a certain employee suggesting that they're unsaved, or lost, or even evil, and bombarding them with scripture and church invites that are unwelcome. It's embarrassing to me but it does exist.

Nope, but then again I rarely mention being atheist going with "not religious" unless it's especially relevant to the conversation.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Atheism is not a coherent group of people with common believes and experiences.

Neither are Jews, black people or women (or, for that matter, Christians, white people and men).

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Neither are Jews, black people or women (or, for that matter, Christians, white people and men).

OK, then there is no reason you can't call Atheism a religion, a minority or something. You see, the statement above is derived from what Atheists have told me, and has no barring on my own opinion.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
OK, then there is no reason you can't call Atheism a religion, a minority or something. You see, the statement above is derived from what Atheists have told me, and has no barring on my own opinion.

I'm thinking that you need a banning to make you knock off this sort of behavior. It's really damned close to trolling.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'm thinking that you need a banning to make you knock off this sort of behavior. It's really damned close to trolling.

I am not trolling. I have been bash for making this point, and here we are someone making a threat that illustrates my point. You must keep in mind that I did not just, and only make the statement that you quoted. You only took my first sentence and did not post the rest.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am not trolling. I have been bash for making this point, and here we are someone making a threat that illustrates my point. You must keep in mind that I did not just, and only make the statement that you quoted. You only took my first sentence and did not post the rest.

You have been "bash" for trying very hard to pull the thread off topic, which, yeah is really close to trolling when you do it so much.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You have been "bash" for trying very hard to pull the thread off topic, which, yeah is really close to trolling when you do it so much.

I asked a question to someone who thinks they are being discriminated against because they are an atheist. I think you missed that part. The topic is discrimination toward atheists. If you can be discriminated against, that means you are part of some group that deserves protection. If atheism is a lack of believe in a god, then how can you have a group of atheist that are being discriminated against?

On a personal level, I would tell the person to stop calling themselves an atheist.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
OK, then there is no reason you can't call Atheism a religion, a minority or something. You see, the statement above is derived from what Atheists have told me, and has no barring on my own opinion.

I assume you are referring to the discussion you had in this forum before. Which was specifically about calling atheism a Religion or Belief System, to try to now somehow get back on that topic you were so obviously wrong about by using the term "minority", which was never part of the discussion, is low.

Originally posted by inimalist
not something I've ever encountered

EDIT: I'd also say that people disagreeing with you or saying you have "lost your way" or being disapointed is really not discrimination.

I have not ever encountered discrimination for my atheistic tendencies. However I imagine that people in more religious countries may face problems because of it.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I asked a question to someone who thinks they are being discriminated against because they are an atheist. I think you missed that part. The topic is discrimination toward atheists. If you can be discriminated against, that means you are part of some group that deserves protection. If atheism is a lack of believe in a god, then how can you have a group of atheist that are being discriminated against?

On a personal level, I would tell the person to stop calling themselves an atheist.

Your logic is flawed. Atheists are of course a group. Like people with blonde hair are a group. They may have nothing else in common and may not feel in any way connected, but they are. Perhaps you'd understand it if you consider that instead of "group" you could say "category".

Your "stop calling yourself atheist" comes awfully close to your previous "victim blaming" ideas. You may be right that they wouldn't face discrimination, however I assume you'd not think that a black person putting on white make up should be necessary (if it was possible)

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Atheism is not a coherent group of people with common believes and experiences. Yet people call themselves atheists, and go on to an internet forum and complain about being discriminated against because they are atheists. Are you hopping to gain some insight from someone you have a common bond with? If that is the case, then maybe a common disbelief is good enough. Do you think that Atheism is your religion?

honestly, you get my point. i dont know what is wrong with you. i put in the op SPECIFICALLY that i dont mean anything other than what i was asking BECAUSE i knew this was going to happen. dont nitpick at my posts like that please. you know exactly what i mean.

so please, anyone else got any stories?

Originally posted by The MISTER
I've seen it before. It usually is holier than thou jerks talking down to a certain employee suggesting that they're unsaved, or lost, or even evil, and bombarding them with scripture and church invites that are unwelcome. It's embarrassing to me but it does exist.

it is embarassing. especially when you can just tell they're looking down on you.

Originally posted by inimalist
not something I've ever encountered

EDIT: I'd also say that people disagreeing with you or saying you have "lost your way" or being disapointed is really not discrimination.


just a question but where do you live? maybe thats the reason why

edit: i just checked you live in canada. i live in southern california (u.s). i dont think its as bad out there as it is out here. there are a LOT of biased/ignorant christians at the school i go too.

My parents use the term "atheist" to describe someone who acts unethically and they are always surprised when I act ethically.

Of course my parents are hardcore Evangelicals.

That being said, the area in which I live is fairly Red, so atheism isn't that popular.

someone who acts unethically? thats funny. like in your case, its usually the other way around. what part of the u.s do you live in?

Alright, Christ, here goes:

I. Severity vs. Prevalence
- First we need to make a distinction between what I will term Severity and Prevalence. Discrimination against atheists is NOT more severe than against most other antagonized groups. What it is, however, is more prevalent than many.
- I'd argue that if you conducted a nationwide survey (in the US, this is) with the question "Do you trust {____}?" for various cultural groups, atheists would be trusted by less people than traditionally discriminated groups such as blacks or Jews. I am not guessing at this theory either, there are numerous studies to support this conclusion. I will discuss them further in future posts when I have the time.

II. Cultural Anecdotes
- Several states still have laws on the books preventing atheists from holding public office. And to put it into context, consider the state of voting and political rights for literally ANY other group of people...no parallel exists. It's doubtful these laws would be upheld if challenged, as many are simply old and not changed. But their existence is telling enough.
- Fox News recently ran a long piece on a man they villainized and linked to numerous scams and injustices throughout Washington and the world (Glen Beck actually made news because of the story recently for some inflammatory comments contained in it). By the end of the segment, the man was reduced to a level normally reserved for Hitler-level evil. And the very, very first thing we learn about this man in the segment was that he was an atheist. His atheism wasn't related to anything in the piece. Yet it was mentioned at the forefront. I wonder why?
...most will read that and say "Well, consider the source!" But that's my point. Fox News reflects and influences a huge chunk of the popular zeitgeist. It's an indication of a much larger sentiment.

III. Personal Anecdotes
- I've lost friends over my leaving religion, had girls break up with me upon finding out (no further than a month or so into the relationship, but still), and am on numerous prayer lists for me to find God again so that I'm not damned to Hell. The first and third of those don't bother me...such "friends" aren't worth having, and prayer lists are harmless, much like the attempted re-conversions that often accompany them. The second is a bit troubling, however. "Non-religious" make up roughly 12-20% of the population (depending on your source and definition of nonreligious). Atheism is considered at the extreme end of even that spectrum, and often associated with the aforementioned mistrust and misunderstanding. Many "spiritual but nonreligious" people will shun atheism as wholly as a Christian might, and certainly more than would be rebuffed by, say, an agnostic. Frankly, it's f*cking hard to date, and is an unfortunate consequence of my lack of religion. Hardships between different beliefs is nothing new in the world, but the stark contrast in terms of the percentages and perceptions means that atheist + {anything else} is about as difficult a pairing to make work as could exist in the country right now.

- Holidays are uncomfortable, as are things like my mother stressing 'God' in God Bless You when I sneeze, but only when she says it to me. I can't rag on my mom much, because for her very strict upbringing, she's been cool about the whole thing. But it's not easy on her, and it's a strain on me as a result because it's always something in the background of our relationship that I know she'll never be comfortable with.

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Take from that what you will. Almost anyone can claim some sort of discriminatory status and have a chip on their shoulder as a result. I don't list any of this to pretend like my plight, or atheists' plight, is worse than that of any other. My financial, physical, and social well-being are much more intrinsic to my overall contentedness than anything having to do with religion. But it exists for many, and to pretend otherwise is laughably false.