Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeI sniped you. :3
Ganon's standard equipment IS the ToP. 😬
But yeah, not allowing Ganon the ToP is like not allowing a Koopa Troopa it's shell. He's only VERY rarely appeared without it, infact, the first time he did was in OoT in the child timeline, there was legitimately over a decade of Zelda before he ever was without it for even a moment, and the only appearance since then in which he has not had it is FSA.
Fair enough, I'll allow it.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Since always, this would be like not allowing Kratos his blades, Link a sword, ect.
That's not really the same since adult links hero sword is his standard equipment because it's his trademark. Tri-force of power is more like a power up. The fact that Ganon has to steal the tri-force of power, kinda demotes it from being his standard equipment. It's more like mario's star, but whatever.
Originally posted by Classic NES
When did Ganon perform all these feats??
0:20, castle exploding.
Frozen Zora's Domain. 0:15 and 2:50 show it best.
Another castle, 5:00 and then 9:45. Ganondorf using the last of his remaining power to do that one.
9:20, Zora's Domain frozen again. Ganondorf just doesn't like the place.
0:20, Greatfish Isle torn to peices after Ganon attacks it. According to the bird guy's god, the island was cursed. (After Link visits the island, that storm covers the entire sea and prevents the sun from rising, which is the curse.)
Originally posted by Classic NES
That's not really the same since adult links hero sword is his standard equipment because it's his trademark. Tri-force of power is more like a power up. The fact that Ganon has to steal the tri-force of power, kinda demotes it from being his standard equipment. It's more like mario's star, but whatever.
No, not really. The Yriforce of Power is Ganondorf's trademark, and the one he is always associated with. As Scream said, he is very rarely seen without it, as it's the main source of his power. In OoT, he got it at the same time Link got his sword, and in most games he has it before Link is even born. It's not like Mario's star, either, since it isn't temporary.
And if you think about it, pretty much all of Link's equipment is just looted from dungeons anyway.
Originally posted by The Scenario
No, not really. The Yriforce of Power is Ganondorf's trademark, and the one he is always associated with.As Scream said, he is very rarely seen without it, as it's the main source of his power. In OoT, he got it at the same time Link got his sword, and in most games he has it before Link is even born. It's not like Mario's star, either, since it isn't temporary.
Link is always associated with the tri-force of courage, that doesn't make it standard equipment.
That wasn't really my point, mario's stars and mushrooms are his trademarks. He's always associated with said items, but they aren't his standard equipment. Just power ups he gets along the way.
But, I'm willing to concede since, Ganon only becomes the major villain when he gains said Tri-force.
Originally posted by The Scenario
And if you think about it, pretty much all of Link's equipment is just looted from dungeons anyway.
If you're referring to items, I don't think there standard equipment either.
Sorry for the double post
Originally posted by NemeBro
Zant, who wielded a fraction of Ganondorf's power in TP, was able to pull nearly the entire country of Hyrule into the Twilight Realm, another dimension.
Shinnok warped Hell/nether realm in order to make it similar to earth. Transforming the demons into human forms and turning anyone he didn't like into a zombie.
What are we defining "standard equipment" as, exactly?
I was under the impression that it's what a character always has on them. In which case both the Triforce of Power and the Triforce of Courage are standard for Ganondorf and Link, respectively. Just like Zelda always has the Triforce of Wisdom. Just like Link has a bow, boomerang, bombs, and other items in nearly every game he's appeared in.
Unlike Mario, for whom the power ups are temporary and interchangable, and even just wear off on their over time.
Originally posted by The Scenario
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I think it's defined as a trademark tool that a character always has and starts of with. But, since it isn't clear I just let it go.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Sounds a lot like the Twilight Realm, except that turns people into spirits and morphs creatures into twilight versions of themselves.
Also, the realm drains your power if you stay there.
Originally posted by Classic NES
I think it's defined as a trademark tool that a character always has and starts of with. But, since it isn't clear I just let it go.
The problem now being that Link never starts with equipment. He's lucky if he starts with a wooden sword, let alone the Master Sword. Most often he doesn't start with any weapons and has to go find a sword.
So I don't know what the heck Link has here.
Also, the realm drains your power if you stay there.
Cool, Ganondorf has either the Twilight Realm or the Dark World, which transform whatever enters them.
Originally posted by The Scenario
The problem now being that Link never starts with equipment. He's lucky if he starts with a wooden sword, let alone the Master Sword. Most often he doesn't start with any weapons and has to go find a sword.
That's still his trademark item that distinguishes him as a hero. Once he gains the sword, he becomes the "hero" and his journey begins. Sort of like how Ganon becomes the villain when he gains the Tri-force of power.
Originally posted by Classic NESThat's cool.
Shinnok warped Hell/nether realm in order to make it similar to earth. Transforming the demons into human forms and turning anyone he didn't like into a zombie.
It also does not apply to single combat outside of said realm.
Zant was able to pull a country into the Twilight Realm, and can do it on a whim, Ganondorf is much more powerful and the reason Zant has his powers, he can do the same, and moar.
Shinnok is also hopeless in close combat. Being considerably slower and weaker.
Also, there are three very short instances of Ganondorf not having the ToP, it's practically a part of his character.
Originally posted by NemeBro
That's cool.It also does not apply to single combat outside of said realm.
Zant was able to pull a country into the Twilight Realm, and can do it on a whim, Ganondorf is much more powerful and the reason Zant has his powers, he can do the same, and moar.
That's not really that impressive when you consider that In Mortal Kombat when a realm is conquered. It's merged with the ruling realm. Shinnok being a former elder God has knowledge on how to merge realms.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Shinnok is also hopeless in close combat. Being considerably slower and weaker.
Shinnok has his amulet in this fight, though.