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[*]Confundus is a directed spell that, according to the depiction in the film, requires line of sight to be successful.
[*]Confundus attacks the mind, an arena in which Sidious is particularly adept. In AotC, Mace and Yoda (the two most senior Jedi of the Jedi leadership structure) directly attribute their "diminished" capacity to use the Force on Sidious.
[*]Please provide a video from the official Warner Brothers films wherein Severus Snape apparates any distance "instantly."[/list]
Originally posted by Zampanó
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[*]Confundus is a directed spell that, according to the depiction in the film, requires line of sight to be successful.
[*]Confundus attacks the mind, an arena in which Sidious is particularly adept.Dude, don't. This is not the Jedi mind trick, it does not rely on the victim being weak minded. Barty Crouch Jr hoodwinked the GOF with it, and it was one of the most powerfully enchanted magical objects in HPverse.
Confundus works just fine on the Jedi.
In AotC, Mace and Yoda (the two most senior Jedi of the Jedi leadership structure) directly attribute their "diminished" capacity to use the Force on Sidious.K.
[*]Please provide a video from the official Warner Brothers films wherein Severus Snape apparates any distance "instantly."[/list]Here in the MVF, we all go by the following rule: If a lesser wizard/Jedi can use a spell/force power, then a greater one can too. Don't like it, pm Impediment.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
K, but Hermione doesn't have line of sight on Cormac when she uses it on him.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude, don't. This is not the Jedi mind trick, it does not rely on the victim being weak minded. Barty Crouch Jr hoodwinked the GOF with it, and it was one of the most powerfully enchanted magical objects in HPverse.Confundus works just fine on the Jedi.
Oh well, I think you're probably right on this one. Conceded.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Here in the MVF, we all go by the following rule: If a lesser wizard/Jedi can use a spell/force power, then a greater one can too. Don't like it, pm Impediment.
That was actually really nicely done. Capitalizing on the tribe mentality to turn people away from a reasonable argument is a really powerful rhetorical device. Luckily for all of us, I don't have to be liked. I have to be right.
IF Snape is afforded all of the powers of inferior combatants, then so is Darth Sidious. This offers much more to Sidious than it does for Snape. I have no problem obeying "your" rules, so long as they are applied evenly.
Snape apparates away, can no longer target his Confundus charm, and must apparate back into the arena. Sidious, given his prodigious pregoc ability, is already moving bricks the size of x-wings to crush him. Snape, with his merely human reflexes, gets squashed.
Originally posted by ZampanóShe is looking at him from thousands of feet away. She looks down, AWAY from him, and whispers confundus.
Actually, she does. Cormac is out in front of God and everybody. Being in the middle of a playing field will tend to do that.
That was actually really nicely done. Capitalizing on the tribe mentality to turn people away from a reasonable argument is a really powerful rhetorical device. Luckily for all of us, I don't have to be liked. I have to be right.I like big bewbz. Pointy ones.
IF Snape is afforded all of the powers of inferior combatants, then so is Darth Sidious. This offers much more to Sidious than it does for Snape. I have no problem obeying "your" rules, so long as they are applied evenly.Yeppers. OUR rules. Seriously, think about it: You walk into a debate here and someone is saying that Windu cannot use force push haermm
Snape apparates away, can no longer target his Confundus charm, and must apparate back into the arena. Sidious, given his prodigious pregoc ability, is already moving bricks the size of x-wings to crush him. Snape, with his merely human reflexes, gets squashed.OK here's the core of my argument here: Apparition is instantaneous. Snape can apparate before being attacked, and can apparate out of a force hold or whatever. He can attack from afar, from all angles, from thousands of feet high. He can turn Sidious into a dog. He can vanish him. He can summon anything he wishes to use against Sidious.
The sheer depth and power of HP spells is what makes me side with wizards over Jedi every time. This is something that most here fail to realize.
I love SW more than anything, but that doesn't mean I have to side with the Jedi.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeppers. OUR rules. Seriously, think about it: You walk into a debate here and someone is saying that Windu cannot use force push haermm
2 things: So how do you decide who is an "inferior" wizard?
2. So why did you ask: Has sidious ever been shown using "force choke" onscreen.
Were you trying to violate YOUR rule?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's a pointless and never ending argument as to which blocks which.One thing we do know is that HP magic is much stronger onscreen than the force. And, since stronger>>>>weaker, well.......
The force is more powerful and it permeates everything including the wizards and their "Magic".
HP lacks any such quality.
So its one sided there..... in favour of the force.
(One of the primary reasons that SW versus HP is in fact a horrific mismatch, when both sides are ungimped.)
Cause we understand how the force affects things all over the place, cause it IS the place..
Harry Potter mechanisms arent really stated to be as omnipotent and all permeating as the Force is.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
She is looking at him from thousands of feet away. She looks down, AWAY from him, and whispers confundus.
Hermione was capable of looking at McClaggen when she fired the spell. Hermione pointed her wand at him when she cast this spell.
One hundred percent of the examples of this spell onscreen include a very precise knowledge of where the target is as well as a wand pointed directly at the target.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK here's the core of my argument here: Apparition is instantaneous. Snape can apparate before being attacked, and can apparate out of a force hold or whatever. He can attack from afar, from all angles, from thousands of feet high. He can turn Sidious into a dog. He can vanish him. He can summon anything he wishes to use against Sidious.The sheer depth and power of HP spells is what makes me side with wizards over Jedi every time. This is something that most here fail to realize.
I love SW more than anything, but that doesn't mean I have to side with the Jedi.
TK alone wins this fight. (What happens if Snape's wand gets snapped?)
Originally posted by ZampanóIt is obvious that we are using "line of sight" differently. Let's see how our expectations differ when we refrain from using that phrase entirely:
Hermione was capable of looking at McClaggen when she fired the spell. Hermione pointed her wand at him when she cast this spell.
One hundred percent of the examples of this spell onscreen include a very precise knowledge of where the target is as well as a wand pointed directly at the target.
Look again, FF to 1:05.
Sidious isn't going to get hit by any of that. These spells either require a direct gesture from a wand or operate through physical means. If Snape points his wand at Sidious there will be time to move. If he shoots something made of matter then telekinesis comes into play. Sidious has shown output ranging in the hundreds (if not thousands) of joules with his Telekinesis. Shear forces alone would be enough to liquefy Snape.Not all spells require a direct hit on the victim. Confundus is one of these spells. Fiendfyre (fire attack, whatever) is another. Also, it was shown in OOTP that Legilimens can be used when the wizard is nowhere in sight. And yes, legilimens will work on Sidious. Legilimens does not require the victim to be weak minded. The only counter is Occlumency.TK alone wins this fight. (What happens if Snape's wand gets snapped?)
TK alone wins the fight? I'd agree with you on this, but the power of apparition allows Snape to teleport away any time he is in danger. Apparating>>>>>>TK.
Wands have been shown taking a shitload of punishment and not breaking. They are hit all the time by expelliarmus and suffer not even a scratch. Expelliarmus, when cast on a wizard, not the wand, is every bit as powerful as any force push ever shown in SW.
Snape took a massive expelliarmus to the chest and it didn't liquefy him.
Originally posted by truejediLet's see.....Snape was able to hoodwink the most powerful and all his followers for 20 damn years. Yeah, he's just some ditzy cheerleader 🙄
Proof that Snape isn't weak minded?Also: Proof that Kenobi's statement is correct? I believe Kenobi told quite a few lies in ANH, did he not?
Anakin said it too, in AOTC.
Then there's Occlumency. Snape, to Harry: "Used properly, the power of Occlumency will help shield you from access or influence."