Another thing is Spider-man doesn't need writer protection to out-maneuver Pyro. He actually uses super-speed all the time to surprise enemies and has survived a point-blank gas explosion while fighting Dr. Doom. Colossus wouldn't even try to dodge flame, he'd just wade into it and so would many other super tough characters. Spider-man has beaten Characters more powerful than him by using a combination of super strength, super speed, spider-sense, webbing skill, spider-reflexes, enhanced agility, and a genius level intellect. That's not considering the years of experience. Put on top that Spider-man isn't PROTECTING his enemy from his power and he could probably kill Pyro in a matter of seconds. A few dodges to close the distance and a webbing covered fist strikes a fatal full-power blow to the head.
it was done to show how much of a threat Max was and how spiderman should never have bn a threat if it wasnt for his own Cis/pis... something spidey realized when he was tryin to fight him, he realized he lived so long against Electro never really tried to kill him and was never really mad enough to just do it..
Electro started shooting electricity everywhere causing city wide damage he just didnt care anymore saying he was going to kill spiderman once and for all.. which he would have till X-man showed up to stop him..
spiderman was finally scared of what max really was some one out of his own weight class..
Max fought X-man while Nate was trying to keep the collateral damage to a minimum tryin to calm down Max..
Nate was kinda miffed at parker sense it was kinda his fault running his mouth and goading Max which caused Max to finally lose his temper and not care about harming other ppl and dropping his self imposed limits..
X-man finally told him if he didnt stop he drop him and being partially distracted with the collaterial damage...
Max said something like he can see his brain the electricity and when he uses his powers and that he was faster then Nate...
Nate and Electro raced one another for the instant drop attack which Max won..pretty sure max also asked himself why the f#%$ he never thought about using his powers that way....a jab at PIS of writers..
he flew away... nate was lying on the rubble as his consciousness finally repaired the damage to his brain and revived his body flying out of the rubble pissed that some low end meta in his view could do that to him and blaming himself for being cocky...
he then went after Max kicked his @$$ and i think nate might have screwed max personality through psi manipulation to keep him from being a city lvl threat. iirc..
at the time i think spidey was wearing a make shift rubber suit which look Gay and Nate warned spiderman about his mouth and how he was as much responsible for the damage as max.. he word owned spidey in the story about his irresponsible behavior and tauting of villains
Is it even canon? Hey, im all for Electro finally becoming real badass... but...
No offence for the writer but that sounds like something he just came up with out of a blue. Anyone who's read Spider-man/Electro encounters know how many times he tried to actually murder Spider-man. To suggest that he was always holding back for God knows what reason while screaming "die! die! DIEEEEE!!!!".. I find that hard to believe. He was always powerfull enough to shut down the city. But electric bolts were the only offencive attacks he's ever displayed in the past. So if anything it was PIS that he all of a sudden went herald-level. And that never lasted. He's upgraded these days and still didnt demonstrate the ability to shut people's brains off. The day that happens ill be more than just happy to defend him in say Electro vs Hulk thread.
yes its canon.. probably when you were no more the 10 yrs old if that.
Electro powers set should be able to kill spiderman it is his CIs and yes writer protection that stops him even when he wants to harm some one..
even guys like magneto have self imposed limits to manage their powers and keep from being consumed by them whether its fear of self mutilation or just fear of not knowing of the consequences...
when Electro 1st came out he should get his but kicked by spidey for a good while but that is b/c of no character development.
as the character's powers grow and knowledge of his enemy one it should start to become more onesided for the character with the most diverse powerset...
you can only beat some one with electro's powers for so long with just physical low end attributes b4 he learns to do something drastic.
Elecro was pretty cool for a while back in the 90's when spidey should no longer bn able to become a threat to him..
irrc a story where he was let out of jail and got a job as a janitor and was not allowed to use his powers... the building was attacked and a small group of ppl were held hostage including a woman and a kid...
a bunch of high tech guys came to steal some stuff or try to take him i cant recall... anyways.. he didnt want to fight till they started harming the ppl... he worriedabout them harming a woman and child. he ran touched an electrical plug powered up brought the @$$ kicking in spades saved everyone.
the hostages being scared blamed him thinking he was part of the goons he was surrounded by cops, he did the right thing and still was screwed by the media.. he got pissed thinking about he could kill everyone... instead he escaped through the powerlines vowing to just be a villain and not try to be a hero..
i remember thinking how the hell does a guy like him lose to spidey he wasnt even at full power and he took down a high tech army that would have murdered spidey, escape cops and shield... this was back in the early mid 90's when certain feats were at a minimum and the norm for spidey was lower then it is now...
but, that's when i realized what writers do when it comes to hero story formula.. they safe the day at the end.
So now you blame EVERYTHING on writers protection? Even Molten Man? So what about Logan then? Does he beat 90% of his rogues because of writers armor? Saberooth who is him + more strength/speed? Omega Red who can drain him or use death spores?
Lets say Electro is as powerful as you say, who do you think can beat him? Try making Electro vs Hulk thread or even Electro vs Thing thread and see how it goes. But even if he is a low-herald or something, that only means he's understimated (for good reasons) by some writers, not that Spider-man gets saved by PIS. Sorry but most of the time you simply lowball Parker because he can beat people you dont want him to beat ie Molten Man and others. The sooner you realise he's in the same league as Logan ad Wade the better. Healing factor or no healing factor.
sigh..... i dont think Wolverine can beat upgraded ada, sabe consistently for wins on forums.. i dont think Wolverine can beat omega Red consistently in a forum fight to say he wins. Wolverine able to win majority of his rogues has to due with his ability to survive attacks.... just because i see Wolvie win against Nitro doesnt mean i am going to run in here and put them in a fight.. consistency of the character should make Wolverine's ability to harm him near impossible nor would i think Spiderman could or should be able to.
ppl not knowing a damn thing about a character and voting for or against him doesnt mean anything..
we use on panel facts and history and remove PIS of terrain use and hail merry winning tactics that are not the norm..
if you think Spidey can beat molten man at competent levels thats your opinion nothing i say can change that and i dont care enough to change it...
but for your Electro hulk comment what if i said magneto vs hulk similar powerset and some overlapping feats that can be applied on hulk for winning and use things change, why?
b/c ppl know more about magneto then they do about Electro and only know what they see from spidey respect thread and him losing being an idiot...
same for pyro look most of you didnt even know about current pyro or his full powerset and guys he has tangled with but are quick to think fighting and losing to guys like spidey is the norm,,
but dont bother to think the lvl of destruction and power he can bring to the table when he is fighting the X-men, tactics that would have spiderman incinerated if not for terrain, and other host of mutant powers like telepathy, TK and teammates... yet this pyro is never mention this is his norm as a x men villain.
hell, most of you dont know he has bn upgraded yet you continue with the lowballing of he loses b/c he is a loser...applying the rhino argument on every villain most of you dont know about b/c you're only old enough to have started reading this decade on characters and the few appearances they made this decade or using respect sites to make an argument for the hero b/c he won but the fight being completely out of context.
all popular characters have writer protection.
how can pyro win? featureless environment, 500 m apart. he makes a huge fire monster and launches it forward at spider-man. Like i said, I doubt SM will make a web cocoon arround his whole body and if he does, he'll have to stay inside it, thus losing the fight
Originally posted by King Castle
i remember thinking how the hell does a guy like him lose to spidey he wasnt even at full power and he took down a high tech army that would have murdered spidey, escape cops and shield... this was back in the early mid 90's when certain feats were at a minimum and the norm for spidey was lower then it is now...but, that's when i realized what writers do when it comes to hero story formula.. they safe the day at the end.
And that's when I realized that you don't know much about Spider-man. A high tech army spells certain doom for Spider-man to you....
If you don't take the writers into consideration at all Spider-man strength feats and small size equate to a powerful character even without webbing, spider-sense or wall-crawling. Electro is a unique and powerful character and before his power increase he was a threat to Spider-man. After his power increase he is more comparable to the current Iceman. Sandman is another Spidey villain that is really unlikely to be beaten by anyone that doesn't use heat powers, like Wolverine or Spider-man. PYRO is not Electro or Sandman. He couldn't beat current Electro on his best day so Spider-man not being able to beat him is a moot point. He can beat Pyro. Batman could probably beat Pyro with NO superpowers to help him.