Pyro vs Spiderman

Originally posted by 753
all popular characters have writer protection.

how can pyro win? featureless environment, 500 m apart. he makes a huge fire monster and launches it forward at spider-man. Like i said, I doubt SM will make a web cocoon arround his whole body and if he does, he'll have to stay inside it, thus losing the fight

Originally posted by King Castle
b/c Spiderman can jump through a wall of flame that can stop a bullet and has colossus lvl durability and will harm a phalanx upgraded pyro, while having at least 4 fire constructs attacking spiderman and shooting fire at him?

yeh, right..

You're right, if he just decided to throw himself into a raging inescapable inferno he'd die from loss of oxygen, and be cooked like a side of meat. This however defies his character. Spiderman is a genius, he'd find a way to plug up Pyro's flame throwers.

he has made an inferno where he himself is standing in the middle surrounded by fire and using it to spring up multiple constructs..

his flame constructs have bn used to fight off the X-men and hold back and grab guys like collosus his flame monster has also bn strong enough to fight fixit as well... fire blast that temporarily stalemate concentrated optic blast from cyke.

spidey without PIS isnt coming up with anything to stop him or get through his flame heat shield that melt bullets centimeters from his skin.

Originally posted by King Castle
sigh..... i dont think Wolverine can beat upgraded ada, sabe consistently for wins on forums.. i dont think Wolverine can beat omega Red consistently in a forum fight to say he wins. Wolverine able to win mahority of his rogues has to due with his ability to survive attacks.... just because i see Wolvie win against Nitro doesnt mean i am going to run in here and put them in a fight.. consistency of the character should make Wolverine's ability to harm him near impossible nor would i think Spiderman could or should be able to.

ppl not knowing a damn thing about a character and voting for or against him doesnt mean anything..

we use on panel facts and history and remove PIS of terrain use and hail merry winning tactics that are not the norm..

if you think Spidey can beat molten man at competent levels thats your opinion nothing i say can change that and i dont care enough to change it...

but for your Electro hulk comment what if i said magneto vs hulk similar powerset and some overlapping feats that can be applied on hulk for winning and use things change, why?

b/c ppl no more about magneto then they do about Electro and only know what they see from spidey respect thread and him losing being an idiot...same for pyro look most of you didnt even know about current pyro or his full powerset and guys he has tangled with but are quick to think fighting and losing to guys like spidey is the nor,,

but dont bother to think the lvl of destruction and power he can bring to the table when fighting the X-men, tactics that would have spiderman incinerated if not for terrain, and other host of mutant powers like telepathy, TK, teammates...

hell, most of you dont know he has bn upgraded yet you continue with the lowballing of he loses b/c he is a loser...applying the rhino argument on every villain most of you dont know about b/c you're only old enough to have started reading this decade on characters and teh few appearances they made this decade or using respect sites to make an argument for the hero b/c he won but the fight being completely out of context.

There's a thing called "constancy" that should also be taken into account, and Electro was constantly shown to be a medium threat. And one writer wanking him for 2 issues doesnt cancel his established powers. Spider-man's oneshotted Absrobing Man, yet you dont see me jump to Spider-man vs Colosus thread and say they'd stalemate each other.

And no need for the "old school comicbook fans" talk, please. I unlike some other posters never jump into an argument unless I've read plenty of showings with the character and know his average power level. The reason I didnt argue against Pyro in the first place. And im pretty sure you didnt know about Electro's current upgrade until we mentioned it.

Yet, you choose to take one good showings of the character ignoring his whole history and put him against Spider-man who constantly beats him on his average power level blaming it all on writers protection.

You know what, nevermind... Classic Electro is a low-heral level character and we are all ignorant for not seeing that earlier... our bad..
So? What are you getting with this? You've created 4 Spider-man related threads so you could argue against him to do what? To establish that he cant beat herald-level characters? Noone ever said he could. That he cant beat human torch if the guy goes nova? Again, noone ever said he could. But should he be able to beat most of his rogues, especially with prep? Yes he should and without any "writers protection" unless you count 99,9% of things that happen in all comics as "writer's protection". So again, you said you wanted to know where he stands with villain, now you know. Glad I could help. Just make sure that you dont ignore his feats next time you argue against other characters you dont want him to beat. Especially if its someone like Molten Man who's got nothing on him.

Originally posted by Stoic
You're right, if he just decided to throw himself into a raging inescapable inferno he'd die from loss of oxygen, and be cooked like a side of meat. This however defies his character. Spiderman is a genius, he'd find a way to plug up Pyro's flame throwers.

spiderman can clog it all he wants it wont stop him from controlling expanding and creating more flame monsters and fire walls... where is spiderman going to go?

all he can do is run and stay away from Pyro's wall of flames and constructs like you said spidey aint throwing himself into the inferno and the webbing will eventually melt off...

hell, the temperature alone should effect spidey adversely fighting some one like Pyro...

You crate the thread and then basically say its impossible for Spider-man to even stand in the battlefield without dying.

Originally posted by King Castle
spidey without PIS isnt coming up with anything to stop him or get through his flame heat shield that melt bullets centimeters from his skin.

Originally posted by King Castle
he has made an inferno where he himself is standing in the middle surrounded by fire and using it to spring up multiple constructs..

his flame constructs have bn used to fight off the X-men and hold back and grab guys like collosus his flame monster has also bn strong enough to fight fixit as well... fire blast that temporarily stalemate concentrated optic blast from cyke.

spidey without PIS isnt coming up with anything to stop him or get through his flame heat shield that melt bullets centimeters from his skin.

Originally posted by King Castle

I agree that some of Spider-man's villains are out of his league, that's what makes it interesting to read the books, character finding a way to defeat more powerful enemies. That's what makes Spider-man, Batman etc so popular. But I disagree that means that everythig Spider-man does should be explained with writer's protection. When he fights characters that arent invincible he does it using his skills/speed etc like everybody else. Excpetions would be characters like Sandman who cant possibly be beaten without a plot device like firehydrant. But nothing wrong with that as he's near invulnerable for ordinary attacks. Most of the other enemies Parker fights aren't, so I dont see why he cant beat them with precog, superior speed, agility, class 10 punches or using his intellect.