Then your also assuming that it's a lie which in case, we could all assume it's a lie that he's never been hurt. There have been plenty of times where Ezio has sustained damages and it's quite obvious we know of it. He's made mistakes, he's been caught trying to be sneaky. It doesn't matter if Ezio is the coolest person in the world (which he might just be) he is not a ninja.
Originally posted by Phoenix3068
Then your also assuming that it's a lie which in case, we could all assume it's a lie that he's never been hurt. There have been plenty of times where Ezio has sustained damages and it's quite obvious we know of it. He's made mistakes, he's been caught trying to be sneaky. It doesn't matter if Ezio is the coolest person in the world (which he might just be) he is not a ninja.
So being a ninja requires never being caught, ever, period? Then why is the bulk of ninjutsu discipline concerned with combat?
You are just jealous because my ninja is better than yours. You can't come up with a single reason beyond "he's not because he's not."
Originally posted by NemeBro
Actually IRL ninjas, if they were caught, failed their mission. Ninjas should have to resort to combat as little as possible.
Not to mention ninja were thought useful on the battlefield for their ability to confuse and disorient the opposition.
A ninja if anything can be defined as a Japanese Elite force of fighters. You don't associate Ninja's with Americans, The English, French, Australian, etc etc. Ezio is what he is, he is an Assassin. I could care if your "ninja" is better than mine, I said before I love Ezio and would choose him for everything IF he could fit into the category. He's not a ninja, he doesn't fit. If you think that Ninja's and Assassin's are the same then why are there Ninja's and Assassin's in assistance at the same time? Ninja do things for honor, because they are given an order to. Assassin's are typically paid or are used for executions.
I never once said "He's not because he's not" and that's simply taking my words out of context because I don't think that you should be allowed to say that a Non-Ninja gets the Ninja Award, only reason I didn't say anything about Blaxican is because he answers master chief for everything because he just wants to play around. You wouldn't go into a "Best Assassin Award" and say Ryu Hayabusa for the best Assassin would you? No, because everyone and their brother knows he's a Ninja.
I'm sorry that I'm getting so heated about this but it's the facts. A ninja is a ninja, an Assassin is an Assassin.
Originally posted by Phoenix3068
A ninja if anything can be defined as a Japanese Elite force of fighters. You don't associate Ninja's with Americans, The English, French, Australian, etc etc. Ezio is what he is, he is an Assassin. I could care if your "ninja" is better than mine, I said before I love Ezio and would choose him for everything IF he could fit into the category. He's not a ninja, he doesn't fit. If you think that Ninja's and Assassin's are the same then why are there Ninja's and Assassin's in assistance at the same time? Ninja do things for honor, because they are given an order to. Assassin's are typically paid or are used for executions.I never once said "He's not because he's not" and that's simply taking my words out of context because I don't think that you should be allowed to say that a Non-Ninja gets the Ninja Award, only reason I didn't say anything about Blaxican is because he answers master chief for everything because he just wants to play around. You wouldn't go into a "Best Assassin Award" and say Ryu Hayabusa for the best Assassin would you? No, because everyone and their brother knows he's a Ninja.
I'm sorry that I'm getting so heated about this but it's the facts. A ninja is a ninja, an Assassin is an Assassin.
Assassins, on the other hand, are specifically people who kill suddenly or by surprise, often for pay and usually for political reasons. Assassins aren't used for executions, executioners are!
Blax was blatantly trolling. I'm supporting an exemplary candidate most others wouldn't look at. I wouldn't call Ryu Hayabusa an assassin because he kills for personal reasons, not for money or politics. I would call him a ninja because he uses ninjutsu.
Ezio is an Assassin, who uses tactics that are strikingly alike to ninjutsu in all its disciplines. For this reason, he qualifies as a ninja. And because he does it all in an exemplary fashion, he qualifies as best ninja.
Ninja. Honor. Hah!
The two words do not belong in the same sentence.
Ninja were masters of fighting dirty. Most of their arsenal of moves consisted of things that were downright dishonorable and created and exploited weaknesses in their opponents. And when it comes down to fighting dirty and exploiting weaknesses...man, Ezio is a master at that.
Stop confusing ninja with samurai.
Bleh, whatever. The fact that GK said something like "Do you know anything about..." hurts because it's insulting my intelligence which was uncalled for. I won't come back with anything as I don't wish to argue personally and this is getting out of hand. You want to call Ezio a ninja then fine, let's announce Ezio as Best Everything sense you could clearly take it upon yourself to make sure everyone believes that.
-.- I'll vote for a different award.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Samurai were not really all that known for honor either, honestly. 😐Keep in mind Miyamoto Musashi, likely the most famous samurai, would use a gun if it proved to his advantage. 😐
Then again, Musashi has done so much shit like that he may be out of the ordinary...
They had the whole code, though, so they were supposed to be honorable. Reality would beg to differ, but that's still the stereotype of the samurai.
Originally posted by Phoenix3068
Bleh, whatever. The fact that GK said something like "Do you know anything about..." hurts because it's insulting my intelligence which was uncalled for. I won't come back with anything as I don't wish to argue personally and this is getting out of hand. You want to call Ezio a ninja then fine, let's announce Ezio as Best Everything sense you could clearly take it upon yourself to make sure everyone believes that.-.- I'll vote for a different award.
Well, most of the stuff you said was blatantly incorrect, a misconception, or a case of confusing things. So...it rather did seem like your idea of ninja came from nothing but Naruto.
Ezio clearly displays all of the abilities intrinsic to being a ninja; hence he can be considered one, despite being from Renaissance Italy.
If you think that this is something to get that upset over, you probably shouldn't participate in debates or arguments on here, because yeah. This is nothing.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Samurai were not really all that known for honor either, honestly. 😐Keep in mind Miyamoto Musashi, likely the most famous samurai, would use a gun if it proved to his advantage. 😐
Then again, Musashi has done so much shit like that he may be out of the ordinary...
Originally posted by Phoenix3068
Bleh, whatever. The fact that GK said something like "Do you know anything about..." hurts because it's insulting my intelligence which was uncalled for. I won't come back with anything as I don't wish to argue personally and this is getting out of hand. You want to call Ezio a ninja then fine, let's announce Ezio as Best Everything sense you could clearly take it upon yourself to make sure everyone believes that.-.- I'll vote for a different award.
It does you no hurt for me to think so, and you should not take it as an insult if I rebuff your claims to the contrary with evidence I have found. This is how debate works, after all.
Originally posted by Phoenix3068I sure is hoping your not getting worked up over an internet argument?
Bleh, whatever. The fact that GK said something like "Do you know anything about..." hurts because it's insulting my intelligence which was uncalled for. I won't come back with anything as I don't wish to argue personally and this is getting out of hand. You want to call Ezio a ninja then fine, let's announce Ezio as Best Everything sense you could clearly take it upon yourself to make sure everyone believes that.-.- I'll vote for a different award.
as for the awards in general I think most of these rewards are a little biased or unnecessary such as this. Personally if I can I would of put all these in one catogory or remake them with appropriate titles that covers more range and thought.
Gray Fox from the Metal Gear Series. Characterised by the very ideal of the perfect soldier. As Null, his memories were erased every time he stepped onto the battlefield to place him into the same state that a newly born baby would find themselves in when discovering the world for the first time, taking information in at a drastically greater rate than any other soldier would be able to, and being able to understand the location and the art of warfare from the surrounding soldiers at an incalculable speed to quickly give him an edge over all other soldiers. As a grown man, he proved his talent as a soldier when he rose up through the ranks of the Foxhound Organisation and became the first soldier to ever be awarded the codename “Fox”. And of course, as the cyborg ninja, he became exponentially more powerful and deadly then he ever was as a regular human, with enhanced physical prowess, advanced stealth devices and powerful weaponry. A firm believer in Big Boss and his ideal of Outer Heaven: a nation state where soldiers would not be controlled by politicians, an ideal he echoed to Snake during his final moments. Believing that everything that defined him as a man was taken away from him the moment Snake defeated him in combat and left him crippled at Zanzibarland, he became driven by nothing but engaging him again in a final fight to the death. The tragedy behind his history with Naomi, and how he had taken her in as his sister after faced with the insurmountable guilt and regret over having massacred her entire family. If this were to be awarded to anyone, it should be Gray Fox.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Debatable line of thought imo. The heart of baseball is swinging a bat and catching the ball (simplified, I know theres more). I can do both of those things but I am not a baseball player. Just as I can punch and kick but am not a martial artist. Ezio can do the basic elements of ninjutsu, but he doesn't practise the art itself. Also, the AC wiki says nothing of the Assassin order reaching Japan. The closest they come is the Chinese assassin Wei Yu.Also he is still neither Japanese nor a member of a ninja organisation.
Most impressive. He hit the nail right on the head there Kal.
You would have to establish to an exact degree of specificity that what Ezio domonstrated was, to a defining extent, Ninjitsu, for him to be considered a Ninja, at least using the definition currently being argued. You have applied some level of specificity but the nature of what you have presented is still fundamentally general.
Learn how to edit your posts already. Posting several times within the edit window is not acceptable.
Also, most of the techniques were not terribly specific to begin with, so.
And also, on the "Ezio rarely got hit" side of things, most of the 100% challenges in AC: Brotherhood require you to either 1) not be detected at all (hence making being hit impossible), 2) not get hit at all, or 3) take a very minimal amount of damage. Getting 100% sync on a memory means that you have gone through the memory just as Ezio did it. So the 100% sync challenges directly support that Ezio very, very rarely ever got hit.