Originally posted by Galan007Why not ? I also see Death as far more impressive than Nekron. I mean the black lanterns get easily defeated by the Celestials alone.
^ Geesh, I was just kidding. ermmAnywho, despite the TI's seeming advantage in the power department, I'm not sure how they could win. I don't see them manifesting the cumulative energies of all life in the universe and blasting Nekron/the BL's with it..?
Originally posted by Galan007I don't think that this is the only way to beat them. That's like saying the un wouldn't beat them. This was the plot device the writer used but to me I don't ever think when a writer decides to go down these paths that this is the only way possible to defeat them.
^ Certainly you aren't suggesting that the TI can summon the aforementioned life energies and use them to defeat Nekron and his horde... Are you?
Originally posted by quanchi112We know the UN can erase concepts. So if you're giving it to the TI in this battle (which wouldn't surprise me, even though it didn't appear in that series) then yeah, they win.
I don't think that this is the only way to beat them. That's like saying the un wouldn't beat them. This was the plot device the writer used but to me I don't ever think when a writer decides to go down these paths that this is the only way possible to defeat them.
Sans that, I'm not quite sure how they'd go about defeating Nekron without utilizing the cumulative life energies of the universe..? Regardless, since that was the only weakness he displayed during BN, all we can do is spitball as to what might be able to harm him.
Originally posted by Galan007No, they don't have the un but my point was I am sure these guys have the power to defeat Nekron. I mean Death herself has shown herself to be more powerful than Nekron.
We know the UN can erase concepts. So if you're giving it to the TI in this battle (which wouldn't surprise me, even though it didn't appear in that series) then yeah, they win.Sans that, I'm not quite sure how they'd go about defeating Nekron without utilizing the cumulative life energies of the universe..? Regardless, since that was the only weakness he displayed during BN, all we can do is spitball as to what might be able to harm him.
Also, you say life energies I mean in Thanos Imperative you have the champions of life in which they overcame death itself so why can't they do it ?
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
He's going to be able to absorb it as much as he was able to absorb the Galactus Engine's energy.
Galactus Engine is Galactus. However, Nekron use black lantern enery to do his deed.
Also, I make my mind and say that Marvel win, purely on the fact that Death was part of the arc. So, she basically can makes her team unkillable, à la Thanos.
Originally posted by BouboumasterMaking her team unkillable is not allowed.
Galactus Engine is Galactus. However, Nekron use black lantern enery to do his deed.Also, I make my mind and say that Marvel win, purely on the fact that Death was part of the arc. So, she basically can makes her team unkillable, à la Thanos.
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Galactus Engine is Galactus. However, Nekron use black lantern enery to do his deed.
And what's to stop the BL from turning Galactus, Tenebrous, and Aegis into BL since they've all died before. And the Galactus engine is Galactus'corspe, not actually Galactus. Galactus absorbed nobody on that battle including the Galactus Engine which had the backing of the MAO. In fact, the BL might just absorbed Galactus and use him as a fuel source.
Also, I make my mind and say that Marvel win, purely on the fact that Death was part of the arc. So, she basically can makes her team unkillable, à la Thanos.
Except that the BN crew has Nekron and his opposite, the White Light Entity. Both can directly for Death and take her out of the fight. Spectre, Parrallax, Anti-Monitor, and the Oan's can hold back the Celestials. Though, I do favor the Celestials in a fight. The MAO have done nothing. What tips things in the favor of the BN crew is, like Galan pointed out, the Black rings. Every time someone dies on the battle field the ring takes ahold of them and they become a part of the BL corps. Then you'd have to also include the various DC heroes involved in BN as well. If Nekron and the Entity succeed in nullifying Death; then the rings claim every dead warrior on the field for the BN team.
It's hard to gauge the MAO since they did nothing. What might take it for the MU is the Celestials destroying the BL.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Only heaven would know WHY he would let Death come in when he knows for a fact that she'd actually would wanna kill him first. Plot hole? lol.Anyway, as for the fight: Eternal stalemate?
Not plot hole, it's just a stupid story. The MAO and Mar-Vell are completely stupid on purpose to make Thanos look smart. Some plan from the Mad Titan. DnA were too lazy to write a story where Thanos actually came up with a decent plan to put down the MAO. I'm gonna let them kill isn't a plan. I miss Starlin. Even Darkseid manage to look good during Death of the New Gods. Magus' scheme to trick the abstracts into reversing the judgement on the Infinity Gauntlet was something else.
Originally posted by quanchi112May I ask how you think death will be able harm Nekron? Sounds extremely paradoxical imo.
No, they don't have the un but my point was I am sure these guys have the power to defeat Nekron. I mean Death herself has shown herself to be more powerful than Nekron.Also, you say life energies I mean in Thanos Imperative you have the champions of life in which they overcame death itself so why can't they do it ?
Even if the Champions of Life possessed all the life energy in the universe (which they don't) that doesn't guarantee a win -- said energy has to be used properly. For instance, Sienstro possessed all the power of the White Entity, and Nekron still schooled him.
Originally posted by Galan007Death can destroy Nekron's physical body.
May I ask how you think death will be able harm Nekron? Sounds extremely paradoxical imo.Even if the Champions of Life possessed all the life energy in the universe (which they don't) that doesn't guarantee a win -- said energy has to be used properly. For instance, Sienstro possessed all the power of the White Entity, and Nekron still schooled him.
I think mar-vell seems far more versed than Sinestro who had all of a few minutes. I just feel like these guys who actually overcame their own death do so here. The only reason they probably failed is because they ran into Thanos and he's on their side this time.
Originally posted by quanchi112Sinestro attempted to destroy Nekron's physical body as well... Then he found out that Nekron can't be killed, because he is death. Death being able to destroy death just doesn't make sense to me, quanch.
Death can destroy Nekron's physical body.I think mar-vell seems far more versed than Sinestro who had all of a few minutes. I just feel like these guys who actually overcame their own death do so here. The only reason they probably failed is because they ran into Thanos and he's on their side this time.
In no way/shape/form was Marv on the level of a White Entity-amped Sinestro -- and even if he was, it STILL wouldn't be enough.
Originally posted by Galan007One body was destroyed then he came back in the form of another. Death can also be destroyed in either case.
Sinestro attempted to destroy Nekron's physical body as well... Then he found out that Nekron can't be killed, because he is death. Death being able to destroy death just doesn't make sense to me, quanch.In no way/shape/form was Marv on the level of a White Entity-amped Sinestro -- and even if he was, it STILL wouldn't be enough.
I feel like mar vell still had the tools necessary to destroy nekron's body.
Originally posted by quanchi112Death destroying the concept of death... Penrose staircase, anyone?
One body was destroyed then he came back in the form of another. Death can also be destroyed in either case.I feel like mar vell still had the tools necessary to destroy nekron's body.
Did Marv possess energies equivalent to "the living light bestowed upon the universe that triggered existence itself"..? If the answer is no (which I'm confident it will be) then how can he hope to defeat Nekron? If the answer is yes (which I'm confident it won't be) then how can he hope to beat Nekron? As I said before, Sinestro actually HAD the aforementioned power, but Nekron still owned him, along with the entire spectrum of Lanterns, simultaneously.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing Spectre, Parrallax, Anti-Monitor, and the Oan's can hold back the Celestials. Though, I do favor the Celestials in a fight. The MAO have done nothing. What tips things in the favor of the BN crew is, like Galan pointed out, the Black rings. Every time someone dies on the battle field the ring takes ahold of them and they become a part of the BL corps. Then you'd have to also include the various DC heroes involved in BN as well. If Nekron and the Entity succeed in nullifying Death; then the rings claim every dead warrior on the field for the BN team.
There is NO WAY the Oans, Parallax and Spectre (not backed by the Presence) can hold back the Celestials. They function at a much lower tier that the Celestials. The Anti-Monitor maybe but don't forget the Galactus Engine, Glactus, TnA, the MAO (that must include Shuma Gorath). The MAO might not have many feats to their name but all the MAO gotta do is do to the 616 team what they did to the cancerverse: Make them undying.
So what can the black rings do to ppl who don't die?
Originally posted by Galan007A death god can destroy a death god so why can't one version of death destroy another version of death ?
Death destroying the concept of death... Penrose staircase, anyone?Did Marv possess energies equivalent to "the living light bestowed upon the universe that triggered existence itself"..? If the answer is no (which I'm confident it will be) then how can he hope to defeat Nekron? If the answer is yes (which I'm confident it won't be) then how can he hope to beat Nekron? As I said before, Sinestro actually HAD the aforementioned power, but Nekron still owned him, along with the entire spectrum of Lanterns, simultaneously.
You're trying to say because they don't have access to one plot device they don't have the power necessary to kill Nekron. I still see Death, Galactus, the Galactus Engine, the Celestials all having more than enough power to destroy his body.