We need the draft back

Originally posted by King Kandy
'd have to pinpoint this as the main reason why liberals in general have lost all the energy as a grassroots movement that they had during the 60s.

Originally posted by King Castle
i'm down with the draft..

i did my time which means my brother doesnt have to do it...

plus it would make ppl think twice b4 goin to war when "their sons and daughters could be sent to battle..

Why in the world would that be the case? The people who make the descision to go to war are the ones with the authority to keep their own children from going.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Liberals only care about something as long as it is in vogue. Once the limelight has passed, they move onto whatever else is in the news. This is why just two years after being elected, Obama's fanbase has evaporated as though they were just a mist. Because, in reality, that's all they were: a vaprous cloud that briefly touched upon a political celebrity lauded by the media. Once the media stopped treating Obama like a Messiah, the liberals lost interest because it was no longer chic to wear Obama pins.

That's ridiculous.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Liberals only care about something as long as it is in vogue. Once the limelight has passed, they move onto whatever else is in the news. This is why just two years after being elected, Obama's fanbase has evaporated as though they were just a mist. Because, in reality, that's all they were: a vaprous cloud that briefly touched upon a political celebrity lauded by the media. Once the media stopped treating Obama like a Messiah, the liberals lost interest because it was no longer chic to wear Obama pins.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Boy, you are just intent on trolling aren't you? But actually, that's my point entirely; yes, liberals are today completely lacking in substance and real, fulfilling energy. I contrast this to the 60s when it was the opposite. Thanks for proving my point.

See? If you want actual insults, just call my boy up and he's ready to deliver. lol

Back to the thread: As always, we agree on the end result, but we do not agree on the means to get there. We need universal healthcare, but it needs to be a hybrid, not an entire replacement of the system into a single payer.

We need "world peace" but creating a needless draft will not help.

And so forth.

Yeah, World peace is an option wanker

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah, World peace is an option wanker

Originally posted by King Kandy
Boy, you are just intent on trolling aren't you?

Young, moderately progressive conservatives are the hope for America. Liberalism, neoconservatism, and religious conservatism have failed America. They have crushed it underneath a roiling mass of lust, greed, sloth, ignorance, and batshit insanity.

Feceman, do you have those sentiments about Conservatism vs. Liberalism on a purely governmental level, or do you also feel that way when it comes to the Moral issues, like abortion, etc?

Forcing people into military service, to become mercenaries for the banks and big business isn´t a good idea imo.

The Afghanistan problem will NEVER be won, because the tradition of the people is too deeply rooted, not only that but also some countries DON´T want to become a carbon copy of the USA, hard to believe for some I know but it´s true.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Feceman, do you have those sentiments about Conservatism vs. Liberalism on a purely governmental level, or do you also feel that way when it comes to the Moral issues, like abortion, etc?

As far as other hotbutton issues go: I cannot be summarized by a simple label of "conservative" or "liberal." Some of my views coincide with (contemporary) liberal beliefs; others coincide with (contemporary) conservative beliefs. But, again, modern liberals and conservatives don't really embody any particular set of values that I can identify with. For every conservative idea that is good, there's another screaming about the homosexual agenda and how Zionism is good for America. For every liberal idea that is good, there's another screaming about how promiscuity is good and self restraint is an archaic belief.

In short, I hate conservatives, but I really, really hate liberals.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
An accurate assessment of liberalism is not trolling. And it's why conservatism will always win. When your political base is not made up of flaky 19-25 year-old college students who think that "liking" Obama on Facebook and making Facebook groups complaining about George Bush is making a difference, you are the default political force in America. Unfortunately, the majority of that political force is made up of ignorant Baby Boomers who protest against socialized medicine while leeching benefits from Medicare.

Young, moderately progressive conservatives are the hope for America. Liberalism, neoconservatism, and religious conservatism have failed America. They have crushed it underneath a roiling mass of lust, greed, sloth, ignorance, and batshit insanity.

But it isn't accurate. "Conservatism" doesn't always win, it's only sold back to people by corporate interests that own both political parties. You can't excuse one because it's the one to which you subscribe and leave out the other because you think they're stupid for not seeing everything your way. It's always amazing when the conservatives on the right of the aisle dump millions, if not billions, into convincing the poor and/or stupid that their interests are directly confluent to those of billionaire industrialists. As a person who decries the "roiling mass of lust, greed, sloth, ignorance, and batshit insanity, then you should agree with "Obamacare", as it's little more than exactly what you call for in the beginning of your post. What the president called for in his healthcare bill, he proposed little more than what Mr. Dole did when he was railing against Clintoncare in the '90s. So, don't decry a president that operates under the standards you 'realize' work best and then call it a fad.

As a person who decries the "roiling mass of lust, greed, sloth, ignorance, and batshit insanity, then you should agree with "Obamacare", as it's little more than exactly what you call for in the beginning of your post.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Obamacare is bad and you should feel bad for implying that I would support such terrible legislature.

Oh, I don't feel bad, nor did I imply anything. You called for moderately progressive conservatism, which is exactly what "Obamacare" is. So you can't bemoan the very reality of what you call for when you get it. It fits your use of terms; moderately progressive. Which, really is just calling for all progression to take place at a snails pace. Healthcare has been a political issue for decades, and has just now become reality. What is more 'moderately progressive' than that? Bob Dole supports this message and is glad to have it in Bob Dole's campaign.

I honestly don't think enough of you to bother refuting your stupidity.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
In short, I hate conservatives, but I really, really hate liberals.

Hate is a bit strong for me, but my opinions boil down to something similar...the reflection:

"I dislike liberals, but I really really dislike conservatives."

At fist reading, it would appear we are opposites. That is true, but the magnitude is actually more telling: there is very little magnitude of difference between our statements. We have a very similar opinion.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
I honestly don't think enough of you to bother refuting your stupidity.

Lest someone criticize him for dodging, consider this first:

I certainly do not like it when "newbs" think they are entitled to a legitimate consideration in a conversation. They have to "prove" themselves before a large amount of effort is spent on them. What may end up happening is the person is just a sock troll that ends up being banned. Then were did that time and effort go that you put into a legitimate reply?

However, there are obviously huge differences between the 1994 proposition and Obama's Healthcare bill. Calling Obamacare "Bob Dole's original legislation" is just plain dishonest. It is meant to only 'anger' conservatives.

Give it time. The draft will be reinstated quite soon, i'm sure. The draft has already come very close to being reinstated several times during the passed decade. For as much as he believes in it, i'm surprised Obama hasn't tried to implement mandatory military service yet. I believe that we will see a draft after another terrorist attack on our soil.

The draft will never, ever come back for anything short of an all out nuclear world war. The party that was in power and initialized bringing it back would get voted out of power harder and faster than anything we've ever seen, so no one will do it.

The draft is just an all around hideous idea that should remain dead.

I definitely do not want mandatory military service, however, it would not devastate me.

And, yes, I agree with Backfire. I see no conflict at the moment or one in the future the legitimizes this thread's premise.

they should bring the draft back and make it so that if the government wants to go to war, they have to let the people vote on it first

from what i remember iraq had mass demonstrations against it even without a draft and this didn't stop the war from happening