Goku isnt close to being a demi god, let alone a skyfather but I do think that frieza and above is above high herald. Frieza at his weakest destroyed planet vegeta with his index finger... frieza at his prime... a far more powerful version should be able to shed multiples of planets with just one blast. He was already tanking planetary level destruction without a problem, so he has the feats backing him up.
DBZ versatility is what ruins them; they are not versatile enough to be called a demigod or a skyfather and that is why I would always say that Odin would STOMP them because he could simple freeze time and take whoever in DBZ that is up against him out any time he wants. Odin can take out any DBZ character with just the wave of his hand so no, Goku isnt a Demigod.
Originally posted by King Kandy
dis one guy frum gt sed dis thing about goku bein stronger than superman, dur dur what do you mean give evidence for dis claim?
Show me evidence that Thanos is stronger than Superman.
Naah, I can do better than that.
Show me evidence that Odin is as strong or stronger than Superman.
Naah, I can do better than that.
Show me a lifting feat from Galactus.
Naah, how about this... show me a lifting feat from Juggernaut that proves that Jugs could bug Superman.
Nope, I know I can do better than that... let me think; hhhmmm.
LT, naah, thats going to far. Wait a sec.
Doomsday... naah.
How about Black Adam, do you have a lifting feat from Black Adam that shows that he can contend with Supes, someone who has moved moons?
I can go on for days on peeps that dont have a lifting feat under their belts. That is what Superman does, lift things. Thor doesnt go around doing 90% of the things that Superman does with his strength but we know that Thor is just as strong. Hyperion, Gladiator, and the list goes on... these peeps dont go around moving large obstacles but we know their strength and their capabilities. Goku shedding mountains from the shockwaves of his punch should be enough proof that he is high on the totum pole when it comes to strength.
Originally posted by carver9Please prove Freeza can shred multiples of planets with just one blast. 😬 Considering to actually do that would take a much larger blast than what it would take to destroy a planet based on distance alone. Without a problem...? First of all, the blast was not centered on him, and second of all, HE WAS MISSING HALF HIS ****ING FACE. Freeza's unique physiology is all that allowed him to survive after Namek's destruction, now admittedly we do not know whether it was Namek's destruction or Goku's retaliation which wounded them, but we DO know that planetary destruction are capable of killing endgame DBZ characters.
Goku isnt close to being a demi god, let alone a skyfather but I do think that frieza and above is above high herald. Frieza at his weakest destroyed planet vegeta with his index finger... frieza at his prime... a far more powerful version should be able to shed multiples of planets with just one blast. He was already tanking planetary level destruction without a problem, so he has the feats backing him up.DBZ versatility is what ruins them; they are not versatile enough to be called a demigod or a skyfather and that is why I would always say that Odin would STOMP them because he could simple freeze time and take whoever in DBZ that is up against him out any time he wants. Odin can take out any DBZ character with just the wave of his hand so no, Goku isnt a Demigod.
Originally posted by carver9Thanos being stronger than Superman? Now, while I am by no means a Thanos expert of even really a comic buff (Even though for some reason you thought I was 😐 ) has Thanos not pretty easily taken out Hulk physically? Which demonstrates physical superiority to Hulk. Oh, and he also IIRC nearly killed Silver Surfer with like seven punches.
Show me evidence that Thanos is stronger than Superman.Naah, I can do better than that.
Show me evidence that Odin is as strong or stronger than Superman.
Naah, I can do better than that.
Show me a lifting feat from Galactus.
Naah, how about this... show me a lifting feat from Juggernaut that proves that Jugs could bug Superman.
Nope, I know I can do better than that... let me think; hhhmmm.
LT, naah, thats going to far. Wait a sec.
Doomsday... naah.
How about Black Adam, do you have a lifting feat from Black Adam that shows that he can contend with Supes, someone who has moved moons?
I can go on for days on peeps that dont have a lifting feat under their belts. That is what Superman does, lift things. Thor doesnt go around doing 90% of the things that Superman does with his strength but we know that Thor is just as strong. Hyperion, Gladiator, and the list goes on... these peeps dont go around moving large obstacles but we know their strength and their capabilities. Goku shedding mountains from the shockwaves of his punch should be enough proof that he is high on the totum pole when it comes to strength.
IIRC Superman IS physically stronger than Odin at base, but Odin can amplify his strength. Admittedly I have no idea to what level.
Galactus is a cosmic being. When people argue Galactus, they are not arguing for him because of his physical strength. That said, his physical strength is essentially not measurable, is it not?
Juggernaut has shown to be Thor's physical equal or even superior, and was actually beating WWH in a slugfest.
Cannot say for Black Adam.
Thor lifted the Midgar Serpent...
Goku has not shredded mountains with his punches...
Originally posted by NemeBro
Please prove Freeza can shred multiples of planets with just one blast. 😬 Considering to actually do that would take a much larger blast than what it would take to destroy a planet based on distance alone. Without a problem...? First of all, the blast was not centered on him, and second of all, HE WAS MISSING HALF HIS ****ING FACE. Freeza's unique physiology is all that allowed him to survive after Namek's destruction, now admittedly we do not know whether it was Namek's destruction or Goku's retaliation which wounded them, but we DO know that planetary destruction are capable of killing endgame DBZ characters.Thanos being stronger than Superman? Now, while I am by no means a Thanos expert of even really a comic buff (Even though for some reason you thought I was 😐 ) has Thanos not pretty easily taken out Hulk physically? Which demonstrates physical superiority to Hulk. Oh, and he also IIRC nearly killed Silver Surfer with like seven punches.
IIRC Superman IS physically stronger than Odin at base, but Odin can amplify his strength. Admittedly I have no idea to what level.
Galactus is a cosmic being. When people argue Galactus, they are not arguing for him because of his physical strength. That said, his physical strength is essentially not measurable, is it not?
Juggernaut has shown to be Thor's physical equal or even superior, and was actually beating WWH in a slugfest.
Cannot say for Black Adam.
Thor lifted the Midgar Serpent...
Goku has not shredded mountains with his punches...
Its pretty obvious Frieza could take out multiples of planets since he destroyed a planet with less than 1% of his true power and at 100% of his power he could generate FAR more power than his weaker versions. This is common sense Nemebro.
Frieza unique ability had nothing to do with him surviving planetary blast/planets, it was his power level. Super Saiyan Goku was just as durable, if not MORE durable than Frieza since, well, he took as much damage, if not MORE and didnt suffer as close to the amount of damage that Goku suffered.
You must forgot about that ending blast that Goku shot frieza with that put him completely out of the fight? That could have been the reason he was missing half of his face since nameks destruction didnt do anything else to the other portion of his body. The last thing we see when goku blast hits frieza IS friezas face.
Let me guess what you are talking about when you say DBZ characters die from planetary explosions. Are you referring to the time when Goku died from Cells blast? Do you not believe that it was Cell power that destroyed him or do you think it was the planets explosion that killed Goku. IMO it was Cells KI that killed him vs... no one in DBZ got killed by an ordinary planet explosion. Let me guess, you are referring to the kid buu blast? HHHMMM, you could have a point if kid buu didnt start his FIRST blast off as a planetary blast which Vegeta himself reflected with a ki blast. The second blast that Kid Buu shot had FAR more power, since, well, Goku and Vegeta wouldnt have had any type of problems stopping a planetary blast. When that blast hit earth... there wasnt a piece of dirt left after that explosion... that blast was far more than what you think and again, a planets explosion didnt kill Gohun, Kid Buu Ki did.
In regards to the rest of your post, none of the peeps that I have named have LIFTING feats. Anime characters dont go around lifting stuff...its not something that they do... that is why we look at other things like PUNCHING power. DBZ characters punching power is off the chain.
Thanos punching power is off the chain.
You cant go by what person has fought what person because in that case, Spiderman would be high class 100, especially since he has taken on and defeated Hulk, Firelord, Morlun, and the list goes on.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Correction the shockwaves from Gokus punches shred mountains LOL obviously that puts him beyond people that move planets and shit 😬
Thanos havent moved planets so again, I guess there are numerous of high heralds that can defeat him. Hell, Colossus lifting feats>Thanos but we know who is stronger if we go by showings. Dont give me that crap about Thanos 7 shotting Surfer... Colossus has one shotted an enraged Hulk... so again, if we look at just lifting feats, you really wouldnt have an argument for a lot of characters.
We all know that Thanos strength is greater than Colossus, we dont need lifting feats to prove this since everyone dont go around moving planets.
Gladiator has moved planets and still got 4 shotted by Tyrant (who doesnt have lifting feats) and 3 pieced by Thor and dropped by Black Bolt. Lifting feats dont mean crap, especially in a fist fight.
Originally posted by carver9Wasn't talking about Thanos i was talking about people that have actually move planets you still haven't provided any legitimate punching feats to support your theory 😬
Thanos havent moved planets so again, I guess there are numerous of high heralds that can defeat him. Hell, Colossus lifting feats>Thanos but we know who is stronger if we go by showings. Dont give me that crap about Thanos 7 shotting Surfer... Colossus has one shotted an enraged Hulk... so again, if we look at just lifting feats, you really wouldnt have an argument for a lot of characters.We all know that Thanos strength is greater than Colossus, we dont need lifting feats to prove this since everyone dont go around moving planets.
Gladiator has moved planets and still got 4 shotted by Tyrant (who doesnt have lifting feats) and 3 pieced by Thor and dropped by Black Bolt. Lifting feats dont mean crap, especially in a fist fight.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Like I've said before: Toriyama ****ed up the power-scaling, big time.By the end of DBZ, they should have been destroying whole portions of galaxies with "missed" ki blasts...if the power scaling kept true.
I think some people overestimate how much power increases. If you get immunity to someone else's attack at, say, 2 mil difference, then you don't have to have lots of multiplication, and by the end of Z none of the main cast is necessarily even 2-3x as strong as Frieza Saga Goku. All that's needed for the fights to go as they do is 'strong enough to vastly overpower the foe,' which doesn't need to translate into huge percentage change.
(Also, people definitely underestimate how big and tough stuff in space is. If a blast can one-shot the Earth, a blast a hundred times as powerful is doing squat to Jupiter, for example, and in turn the Sun wouldn't notice attacks a hundred times as strong as what's needed to blow up Jupiter, and so on. Of course, planets and moons in DB in general seem to be extremely fragile. None of the non-planet/moon destroying attacks show so much as a thousanth of a percent of the needed destructive power to blow on a planet. Earth is Really Tough).