Originally posted by Starscream M
why even have the first scenario? come on...you know it's utter spite.Second fight...still Gorgon. He's way too skilled for Ares.
Honestly wait and see. I not be the least bit surprised if people trying to argue it not working on Ares. I mean I agree with you that it more or less would be a spite in the first fight, but people will argue it, because it did not work on Ares son.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusGorgon is much more skilled, much faster, and much much smarter. He's basically fighting a semi-retard in Ares. Sure Ares axe is much much bigger...but that's basically his only advantage.
Why is it spite? The stone stare didn't work on Ares' son. I'm willing to bet it won't do shit to Ares either.Oh, and Ares wins.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Duganok regardless if the stare works or not, Ares is still not in gorgon's league per my reasoning above.
Honestly wait and see. I not be the least bit surprised if people trying to argue it not working on Ares. I mean I agree with you that it more or less would be a spite in the first fight, but people will argue it, because it did not work on Ares son.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why is it spite? The stone stare didn't work on Ares' son. I'm willing to bet it won't do shit to Ares either.Oh, and Ares wins.
I completely disagree, I think Gorgon would put Ares down. He much faster and his sword can do some major damage.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's like you're a mind reader.
perhaps I can read minds.
From now on, I'm going to use Alex as the point of comparison because that's the only point of comparison available:
Originally posted by Starscream M
Gorgon is much more skilled, much faster, and much much smarter. He's basically fighting a semi-retard in Ares. Sure Ares axe is much much bigger...but that's basically his only advantage.
Gorgon was clearly not much more skilled than Alex. I don't have the comic on hand, but from what I remember Alex was portrayed as less skilled if anything. IIRC, Ares mocked his fighting abilities and kicked his ass easily when he got mad.
His not much faster than Ares either apparently.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Ares is not his son, nor has the same powers. I honestly think it did not work due to the nature of eaches ability, they seem to cancel eachother out. But perhaps that just me.
What would Alex's powers have to do with his resistance to the stone stare? He has the ability to show people their greatest fears. Not exactly the requirements for resisting being turned into stone.
What on earth gave you that idea? Gorgon's immunity to Alex's powers was attributed to him not fearing anything.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I completely disagree, I think Gorgon would put Ares down. He much faster and his sword can do some major damage.
Again: Not much faster than Alex = Not much faster than Ares
Ares has an impressive healing factor as well. Impalement won't stop him and if you think his cutting off Ares' head etc. I'm not going to even bother debating.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I almost went one step further and said rage will argue against it lol. I can even guess your next arguement, that Ares son kept pace with Gorgon so Ares is at least as fast oh and Ares feat against X-men (which i think is by deffinition pis to be honest).perhaps I can read minds.
I'd assume you'd know what I was going to argue. We had this debate in a thread like 3 days ago.
Course, maybe it is telepathy.
K.
I have no illusions. Gorgon will be faster than Ares if the two fight in a comic. Even more skilled. Cut his physical capabilities by 2/3's and he'd be matching him with skill/speed. It's how modern writers do shit.
Edit: I'm going to have to finish this either tomorrow -if I find the time- or later on in the week.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusWhat would Alex's powers have to do with his resistance to the stone stare? He has the ability to show people their greatest fears. Not exactly the requirements for resisting being turned into stone.
What on earth gave you that idea? Gorgon's immunity to Alex's powers was attributed to him not fearing anything.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
: Not much faster than Alex = Not much faster than AresAres has an impressive healing factor as well. Impalement won't stop him and if you think his cutting off Ares' head etc. I'm not going to even bother debating.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
K.I have no illusions. Gorgon will be faster than Ares if the two fight in a comic. Even more skilled. Cut his physical capabilities by 2/3's and he'd be matching him with skill/speed. It's how modern writers do shit.
Edit: I'm going to have to finish this either tomorrow -if I find the time- or later on in the week.
also as for the modern writers stuff, that seems rather inaccurate since Ares best speed feat was written by a modern writer and nothing in his classic apearances is anything remotely impressive on a speed level. I dont find his classic self as a whole to be impressive at all.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
That how I saw it when I read there fight. to me it seem there powers cancled eachother out. There was not such statement or implications that Gods were immune. I dont think they are, I simply think Alex is immune, but it is debatable since it really hard to proof absolute on either side.
😬 Again, why on earth would they cancel each other out? Gorgon's immunity to his powers was specifically attributed to his lack of fear. Why else would Alex be immune other than his half Olympian? Because he has some psionic based powers (So does Ares by the way)? Apply some common sense to the situation.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
ABC logic is unusable and bad logic. Alex speed was potrayed more impressive then I have ever seen it. His speed was played up, quite a bit. Gorgon has shown consistent spiderman level speeds and faster which neither alex or Ares has shown on anything remotely resembling a consistent level. Ares has one impressive speed feat and it could easily be classified as pis.
Unusable and bad logic? It's our only point of comparison between two characters and is pretty reasonable because as far as I know Alex has not received any power ups in speed, strength etc. As a matter of fact, it's Ares who had an off panel power up in regards to his physical strength and durability.
This is some pretty lulz worthy stuff I must say. Ares' best speed feat doesn't count, Alex was clearly much faster against Gorgon than he was against Ares....because....you want him to be?
Keep this up and I might have to concede. 👆
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
....I not sure what your intentions are, but this came across as you acknowledging that Gorgon would be faster and more skilled in comics, but Ares should be, becuase he a god......but if he not shown to be he not. Being a god means nothing it a title which people seem to grasp as the end all be all, despite the fact many non gods could beat and even destroy many "gods". US Agent put it best when he said"there false gods, there simply meta humans like us which were mistaken as gods and worshiped as so" (or some such, that was the jist of it, his words were little meaners lol)
Obviously reading is not your strong suit.
Gorgon would be faster and more skilled in comics because he has to be for their to be a fight. If he wasn't, Ares would rip his head off because his vastly superior physically (In regards to strength).
If Ares' physical strength and durability was reduced, his other attributes would be played up.
It's simply how the mechanics of comics work. Anyone whose read comics should know this.