Ah, well, with an infinite amount of blood*, Max is incredibly strong. At minimum I'd expect him to hold them off long enough for Manchester to do a TK smackdown, but it wouldn't surprise me if they could just win outright.
Lord has very little limits aside from blood loss.
*Weirded. Telepath. Weakness. Ever.
Definitely gotta go with Xavier/Emma; Much of Max's *real* strength lies in his manipulating things over the long haul -- that's how he was able to gain control of Superman, something he wouldn't normally have otherwise been able to do, outright. And Xavier is certainly even more resistant than Clark; meanwhile, Emma isn't too far behind Xavier (as she was stated as being an Omega Level mutant). Black can certainly pull some stunts, but Team 1 is going to lose the majority against 2, definitely.
Originally posted by tideoftime
Definitely gotta go with Xavier/Emma; Much of Max's *real* strength lies in his manipulating things over the long haul -- that's how he was able to gain control of Superman, something he wouldn't normally have otherwise been able to do, outright. And Xavier is certainly even more resistant than Clark; meanwhile, Emma isn't too far behind Xavier (as she was stated as being an Omega Level mutant). Black can certainly pull some stunts, but Team 1 is going to lose the majority against 2, definitely.
His skill has definitely improved it seems. He just needs the blood to do it.
Originally posted by Glorificus
Xavier and Emma.Does Max Lord even have any telepathic defenses? What's stopping Emma from just psi-bolting him?
A possible-timeline Max from Booster Gold went mental toe-to-toe with Martian Manhunter, and main Max was able to mind-wipe every telepath (and everyone else) on Earth simultaneously.
We are seriously talking "Max makes them forget he's there when he's standing right there," level stuff.
Originally posted by 753
It's time to give chuck his due. He'd rape either one of them, but specially maxwell. MB is a tough nut to crack, but it'll soon turn into 2 vs 1 and they win.
Again, Lord mindwiped the *entire* planet, including all the telepaths. At full power/blood flowing, he mindwiped Martian Manhunter, Miss Martian, Hector Hammond, Grodd, and whoever else you care to mention at the same time.
At his normal levels I'd agree the Marvel pair wins, but Maxwell can push his power up to absurd levels if he doesn't mind bleeding massively.
Originally posted by Q99
A possible-timeline Max from Booster Gold went mental toe-to-toe with Martian Manhunter, and main Max was able to mind-wipe every telepath (and everyone else) on Earth simultaneously.We are seriously talking "Max makes them forget he's there when he's standing right there," level stuff.
Is the "possible-timeline" Max the Max in this fight? Which Max is it specifically?
Also, I still don't see any psychic defense feats. Mind controlling other people who weren't defending their minds against him is offensive output, not defensive. And someone like Emma has psychic defense up the wazoo. She's shrugged off Karma trying her hardest to mind control her and casually psi-bolted her.
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What's stopping her from doing the same to Max?
She's defended herself against 7 of the most powerful Skrull Telepaths who were all connected to Cerebro-like amping devices, and systematically took all of them down.
She's also defended entire teams against Mr. Sinister, Exodus, and Lady mastermind.
She's also protected Scott from a Phoenix fragment.
What feats of Max show that he can take a psi bolt or resist mind control from Emma?
Originally posted by Glorificus
Is the "possible-timeline" Max the Max in this fight? Which Max is it specifically?
Booster went back and saved Ted Kord, Max never got found out, took over the world, Booster and Ted got the gang together (including J'onn) to take him down, J'onn goes mind-to-mind with him (Max at 'bad nosebleed' level) and they stalemate.
So it's this Max if things had gone slightly differently. Up to you whether you'd count that or not.
Also, I still don't see any psychic defense feats. Mind controlling other people who weren't defending their minds against him is offensive output, not defensive. And someone like Emma has psychic defense up the wazoo. She's shrugged off Karma trying her hardest to mind control her and casually psi-bolted her.
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What's stopping her from doing the same to Max?
Manchester?
Maxwell's shown insane psychic offense, effectively unstoppable. If Chester can hold Emma and X off for, like, three seconds, then Lord can do a psychic attack capable of overwhelming every psychic, empath, telepathy resistant individual, etc..
The only problem is he loses, like, 4 gallons of blood when he does it.
She's defended herself against 7 of the most powerful Skrull Telepaths who were all connected to Cerebro-like amping devices, and systematically took all of them down.She's also defended entire teams against Mr. Sinister, Exodus, and Lady mastermind.
She's also protected Scott from a Phoenix fragment.
What feats of Max show that he can take a psi bolt or resist mind control from Emma?
If his defense is at all like his offense at full blood usage, then he should be fine (minus the bloodloss...).
Even if it's not, all he needs is enough time to launch a psychic attack, because I don't think anyone's ever shown psychic defense against the scale of psychic attack he did there.
Originally posted by Konton
Whole lotta 'ifs' in that Maxwell Lord argument.
Exactly.
"IF" Maxwell has defenses, then I'd like to see them. Since we go by FEATS here right? I'd like to know what mind control/psi blasts/illusions he's casually shrugged off, because Emma has done that plenty of times.
Also, "IF" Maxwell Lord has enough time, then yeah, sure he might be able to reach full throttle and pull off another super mind wipe.
But what takes more time? Max completely overwhelming the consciousness of someone with ESTABLISHED strong psychic resistances like Emma Frost with Mind Control, or Emma simply Psi Bolting someone with no ESTABLISHED psychic defenses?
And just a couple of quick notes: Emma does have a history of bypassing people's defenses, if someone should find scans proving Maxwell has any. She's easily bypassed the Sentinel's robotic shielding with sheer skill and finesse and fine tuning her psychic brainwaves.
She's also overwhelmed Monet (who has resisted her mental probes) with by channeling a bolt of psychic lighting using the ambient psionic energy around her and simply overwhelming her with the blast. In a battle with a bunch of psychics around, there's plenty for her to use. A quick psi bolt, and Maxwell will be out.
And let's not forget Xavier's around too. He just needs to think "Astral plane", and the battle's going to go downhill for Manchester Black, who I don't believe has any Astral projecting or battling feats.
