Most Balanced and adaptive team - can you do better?
7 characters any Universe no one above Thor level-Surfer is banned due to no prick.
Lobo (Wolverine type)
Flash (Speedster)
Spiderman (Agile all rounder)
Zatanna (useful token female)
Energy Supes (Energy Manipulator and Brick)
Thor (more magic and a brick)
Reed Richards (Tech and planning)
Would love to have Warlock (Adam) in as well but could only pick 7
Orion of the New Gods (Brick/versatility/energy manipulation)
Zoom (not prof) (Speedster of a higher order)
Resurrection Man (hyper adaptive)
Green Lantern Hal Jordan (superb energy manipulator and leader)
Beta Ray Bill (Magic, Brick, energy manipulation, consummate fighter)
Querl Dox, Brainiac 5 (tech, planning)
Martian Manhunter (telepath, everything else)
Originally posted by Desaad
Orion of the New Gods (Brick/versatility/energy manipulation)Zoom (not prof) (Speedster of a higher order)
Resurrection Man (hyper adaptive)
Green Lantern Hal Jordan (superb energy manipulator and leader)
Beta Ray Bill (Magic, Brick, energy manipulation, consummate fighter)
Querl Dox, Brainiac 5 (tech, planning)
Martian Manhunter (telepath, everything else)
No token female? I actually like a lot of your choices, our teams in conflict would be great, no Magic besides Bill?
Re: Most Balanced and adaptive team - can you do better?
Originally posted by SockittomeYou need a psi.
7 characters any Universe no one above Thor level-Surfer is banned due to no prick.Lobo (Wolverine type)
Flash (Speedster)
Spiderman (Agile all rounder)
Zatanna (useful token female)
Energy Supes (Energy Manipulator and Brick)
Thor (more magic and a brick)
Reed Richards (Tech and planning)Would love to have Warlock (Adam) in as well but could only pick 7
Cyborg Superman: extreme technopath...great strength and durability...extremely hard to kill.
Nimrod: Nearly indestructible (can reconstruct from near complete destruction)...can adapt to enemy powers/abilities...can scan opponent for weaknesses and come up with a weapon capable of killing his foes.
Super Skrull: great variety of abilities...good durability...more ruthless with his power than the Fantastic Four.
Absorbing Man: can copy enemy powers/abilities and use them against said foes...enough said.
Loki: High end magic user...very difficult to kill...excellent durability.
Rachel Summers (Pheonix): Very high end telepath...very powerful telekinesis ability.
Doctor Doom: Perhaps the greatest of the "Prep God" characters in comics...enough said.
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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Cyborg Superman: extreme technopath...great strength and durability...extremely hard to kill.Nimrod: Nearly indestructible (can reconstruct from near complete destruction)...can adapt to enemy powers/abilities...can scan opponent for weaknesses and come up with a weapon capable of killing his foes.
Super Skrull: great variety of abilities...good durability...more ruthless with his power than the Fantastic Four.
Absorbing Man: can copy enemy powers/abilities and use them against said foes...enough said.
Loki: High end magic user...very difficult to kill...excellent durability.
Rachel Summers (Pheonix): Very high end telepath...very powerful telekinesis ability.
Doctor Doom: Perhaps the greatest of the "Prep God" characters in comics...enough said.
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I like your choices, you've gone for a full on powerhouse team.......
It's a way to go definately, I think the flash full on no PIS or CIS could do a lot of damage to your team before they could react in some scenarios. I still dig your choices a lot though.
Re: Re: Most Balanced and adaptive team - can you do better?
Originally posted by Galan007
You need a psi.
Zatanna provides measurably resistance and telepathic power on her own. She's teg tou'd J'onn twice, astral projected into a world wide search that ended successfully in two panels, and managed to mindwipe half of DC.
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Originally posted by Konton
Zatanna provides measurably resistance and telepathic power on her own. She's teg tou'd J'onn twice, astral projected into a world wide search that ended successfully in two panels, and managed to mindwipe half of DC.
Fair comment I was worried that in someways she's over powered. In truth she can beat almost anyone pis and cis removed. As can Flash of course.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Btw...I think Nimrod or Loki could kill Zatanna very rapidly...
No doubt; but, it's a team and with teams the ohers defend, I mean Thor would handle Loki whilst many of the others would dismantle Nimrod... But that's only one possible and the problem in comic fights is the right character always fights the right one in the end for the good guys to win. Who knows how a match as close as many of these teams would go.
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Originally posted by Sockittome
Fair comment I was worried that in someways she's over powered. In truth she can beat almost anyone pis and cis removed. As can Flash of course.
Well her limits have been written in such a way that at her most powerful she can project massive amounts of energy, distort reality on as large an environment as the moon, immobilize high heralds with her most basic spell, and damage sun eaters.
The problem she faces, and this has been emphasized in her current ongoing quite a bit, is that all her magic is improvised and is wholly dependent on her creativity and ability to focus. When confronted with the Royal Flush gang, she couldn't fly right away because she was caught off guard and needed to mobilize a body of water to catch her. However, after regaining composure, she had no problem zipping around in the air and wrapping them all up in a billboard with a clap of the hands. With these limitations in place, we oftentimes see her doing silly things like turning what would be harmful obstructions (speeding cars, bullets, or what have you) into butterflies and walls into pillows.
This isn't to say that at her base levels she's weak, she's been trumping demons in their own dimensions lately- and casually so.
Originally posted by Sockittome
No token female? I actually like a lot of your choices, our teams in conflict would be great, no Magic besides Bill?
Was that a requirement, the token female?
If so switch out Martian Manhunter for Tomorrow Woman -- high level sci and telekinetic.
The thing is you put a limit on things at a "Thor" level -- Zatanna is arguably above most top tiers in some ways, in that she's an insane plot device, but she's so damn vulnerable that in terms of effectiveness it's hard to peg her. Yeah, in one appearance she stops Despero with a word or manipulates reality planetoid wide, but in another she gets the crap kicked out of her by the Joker or Deathstroke.
Were it a team I was writing or reading about, I would have put someone like Jason Blood/Etrigan or Zauriel on there, but neither of them is really going to come close to the raw power of Beta Ray Bill, and he's going to have an increased resistence to magic anyway, making him a decent opponent for any straight up mage you want to throw into the mix. Meanwhile, the best of the pure mages - Dr. Fate, Dr. Strange, Nabu - they're above your power limit.
Resurrection Man would be especially difficult, and is a great counter (I think) for your choice of Lobo (who himself is arguably above Thor level, if you include the blood cloning thing). He's basically infinitely adaptive, which I think is fun and allows for a lot of creative possibilities.
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Originally posted by Konton
[B]Well her limits have been written in such a way that at her most powerful she can project massive amounts of energy, distort reality on as large an environment as the moon, immobilize high heralds with her most basic spell, and damage sun eaters.
Yeah, for the most part she's a plot device of a character, but that isn't how her limits are ALWAYS written.
You'll recall Reign in Hell, where it took everything she had to put Lobo down, and she spoke of a 'price' she had to pay for the spells she was using. The specific goal of that series was to put limitations on characters like her and Black Alice (who for a short while could only take powers from those in close proximity, though Gail Simone handily ignored that).
Her appearance in JLA: Obsidian Age also made clear that she had a number of limitations, with her shouting "That's not how magic works!" on more than one occasion, the Ray finding a way past magic (which was pretty awesome), etc. And yet in that same arc Gammanae using Zatanna's powers turned Promethium into paper.
Stuff like that, fun as it is in a team book situation, I think is a large part of why magic books almost never succeed. No rules, no structure, so tension is impossible to generate. How can you feel scared for a character can get out of anything through any plot device?
The problem she faces, and this has been emphasized in her current ongoing quite a bit, is that all her magic is improvised and is wholly dependent on her creativity and ability to focus. When confronted with the Royal Flush gang, she couldn't fly right away because she was caught off guard and needed to mobilize a body of water to catch her. However, after regaining composure, she had no problem zipping around in the air and wrapping them all up in a billboard with a clap of the hands. With these limitations in place, we oftentimes see her doing silly things like turning what would be harmful obstructions (speeding cars, bullets, or what have you) into butterflies and walls into pillows.
"Often" or "In the latest issue of her ongoing series" ? 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
Here's my list...Zoom
Shaman Nate
Beta Ray Bill
Firestorm
Doom
Lobo
Superman (Tangent)
Come on Big G reasons for each, don't be half assed ;-) let's have your justifications. Bythe way I like your choices. Firestorm in particular makes a lot of sense.
Originally posted by Konton
Well her limits have been written in such a way that at her most powerful she can project massive amounts of energy, distort reality on as large an environment as the moon, immobilize high heralds with her most basic spell, and damage sun eaters.The problem she faces, and this has been emphasized in her current ongoing quite a bit, is that all her magic is improvised and is wholly dependent on her creativity and ability to focus. When confronted with the Royal Flush gang, she couldn't fly right away because she was caught off guard and needed to mobilize a body of water to catch her. However, after regaining composure, she had no problem zipping around in the air and wrapping them all up in a billboard with a clap of the hands. With these limitations in place, we oftentimes see her doing silly things like turning what would be harmful obstructions (speeding cars, bullets, or what have you) into butterflies and walls into pillows.
This isn't to say that at her base levels she's weak, she's been trumping demons in their own dimensions lately- and casually so.
I remember waaaaay back pre first crisis it was genearlly acepted she was the most powerful leaguer. Her matter manip is second to none really.
Originally posted by Desaad
Was that a requirement, the token female?If so switch out Martian Manhunter for Tomorrow Woman -- high level sci and telekinetic.
The thing is you put a limit on things at a "Thor" level -- Zatanna is arguably above most top tiers in some ways, in that she's an insane plot device, but she's so damn vulnerable that in terms of effectiveness it's hard to peg her. Yeah, in one appearance she stops Despero with a word or manipulates reality planetoid wide, but in another she gets the crap kicked out of her by the Joker or Deathstroke.
Were it a team I was writing or reading about, I would have put someone like Jason Blood/Etrigan or Zauriel on there, but neither of them is really going to come close to the raw power of Beta Ray Bill, and he's going to have an increased resistence to magic anyway, making him a decent opponent for any straight up mage you want to throw into the mix. Meanwhile, the best of the pure mages - Dr. Fate, Dr. Strange, Nabu - they're above your power limit.
Resurrection Man would be especially difficult, and is a great counter (I think) for your choice of Lobo (who himself is arguably above Thor level, if you include the blood cloning thing). He's basically infinitely adaptive, which I think is fun and allows for a lot of creative possibilities.
No token female required my friend, at the moment I belong to the little rascals 'heman wwoman haters club'
Yeah I take your points, and I liked your team as I said. I really don't want it to be to fixed or this thread will lose the creativity you and others have provided.