Demonic Phoenix
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Originally posted by NemeBro
Actually, since he has no Kyuubi, no longer will he have to stand still to activate it.
Wut?
He still has the Kyuubi, albeit, it is sealed up much better right now, and Naruto can access its chakra. So nah. It's also not confirmed whether or not the elders can fuse with him.
Originally posted by menokokoro
Oh i know, Kakashi is much sharper, and probably a little smarter in combat. But if there were hundreds of narutos around, he wouldn't wast his most chakra wasting attack on a target he isn't sure is the right one.
True, but he'd instead resort to other methods to take out the clones, who would all be much weaker than the real Naruto, due to the Kage Bunshin's even chakra splitting.
Originally posted by menokokoro
I don't think they can tell with sharengan, all the shadow clones have the same amount of chakra, what is VotE?
No, not even the Byakugan can tell apart a Kage Bunshin from the real one. However, at Valley of the End (VotE), Sasuke mentioned something about the Sharingan being able to tell which is the real one. Seeing as the Sharingan cannot tell apart the difference, I presume he simply kept track of the real Naruto when he used the jutsu, or his Sharingan got accustomed to Naruto's style.
Originally posted by menokokoro
I've been thinking about this a bit more, and i think kakashi would win most of the time now. on one hand, naruto in sage mode would own kakashi, but, it takes time to get in sage mode, and he needs to sit still, or have the toads fuse with him, which he never actually learned to do. regardless, both take time, and in that time kakashi could kill naruto, using his superior techniques and experience to get the job done.on the other, naruto just goes all out, knowing that if he waits too long, his head would simply be gone. he makes hundreds of shadow clones, using hundreds of rasengans (if he can without the kyuubis help) or whatever. but, even here, kakashi has knowledge of this technique and would know how to counter it. he would probably use the shadow clones against naruto somehow, and win that way. or whatever, kakashi is just too smart and too good at what he deos.
really the only thing naruto has going for him is raw power, and determinedness...and really fast, really good, combat strategies.
Meh, personally I think that current Naruto has far better odds in most situations, unless CIS is off, and bloodlust is on. If Naruto is in Sage Mode, his odds improve dramatically due to his speed. But if Deva can handle his speed, I think Kakashi who has the Sharingan, should be able to do so as well. RasenShuriken would end Kakashi though, unless he kamui's it before it expands.
I still don't know the stips of this battle. So far, I assume CIS is off, so Naruto should have a higher win percentile than Kakashi.
Originally posted by Q99
Though even with bloodlusted, Naruto can use his Sage Clones, which are quite dangerous, and try and make it so Kakashi won't know which is real. Using Kamui on the wrong one could grant Naruto the win.
Kakashi wouldn't take that chance though, even if he was bloodlusted. He isn't that reckless. Against someone who can outlast him by a huge amount, he wouldn't risk wasting Kamui.
As for the Sage clones, it depends on what the specifics of the battle are. Against Pain, Naruto could only make a couple of clones in Sage Mode, since he had clones gathering chakra in Myobokuzan. Against the Kyuubi, he had many clones, but it didn't matter, since Naruto was sitting still the entire time, so he could enter Sage Mode whenever he wanted.
If Naruto starts off with clones gathering Natural Energy, he won't be able to mass spam KB, not unless he does not want to enter Sage Mode again. On the other hand, if he doesn't start off in Sage Mode at all, he won't be entering it, not unless Kakashi makes the mistake of immobilizing him, instead of taking his head off.